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1) Soul is irreducible.
2) Something which is irreducible is indesignable.
3) The act of creation requires design.
4) From (2) and (3) we can deduce that soul cannot be created.

bahman wrote:1) Soul is irreducible.
2) Something which is irreducible is indesignable.
3) The act of creation requires design.
4) From (2) and (3) we can deduce that soul cannot be created.

Then where do they come from, if they exist?

PhilX

This is the only kind of soul that exists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0OJUcxdL24

People can create that sort of soul, but it's not necessarily easily. Lots of folks seem to have square wheels on their vehicles instead.

bahman wrote:1) Soul is irreducible.
2) Something which is irreducible is indesignable.
3) The act of creation requires design.
4) From (2) and (3) we can deduce that soul cannot be created.

First you must demonstrate that the 'Soul' exists.

None of the first 3 have been demonstrated to be true, you have only stated them without any support.
Therefore 4 is not valid.

thedoc wrote:

bahman wrote:1) Soul is irreducible.
2) Something which is irreducible is indesignable.
3) The act of creation requires design.
4) From (2) and (3) we can deduce that soul cannot be created.

First you must demonstrate that the 'Soul' exists.

None of the first 3 have been demonstrated to be true, you have only stated them without any support.
Therefore 4 is not valid.

What bahman is trying to do is point to the non-conceptual UNBORN ..infinite one.. by using concepts.

It's like silence trying to know itself by filling itself up with words.

Is there any thing that could possibly exist that is not a concept?

''...The Supreme Paradox is to Discover Something that Thought Cannot Think...''

bahman wrote:1) Soul is irreducible.
2) Something which is irreducible is indesignable.
3) The act of creation requires design.
4) From (2) and (3) we can deduce that soul cannot be created.

Soul is only an idea. Ideas can be incoherent, and inconsistent with reality.
Ideas are created freely without the constraints of logic, or empirical substance.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

bahman wrote: 1) Soul is irreducible.
2) Something which is irreducible is indesignable.
3) The act of creation requires design.
4) From (2) and (3) we can deduce that soul cannot be created.

Then where do they come from, if they exist?

PhilX

Does soul really exist?

thedoc wrote: First you must demonstrate that the 'Soul' exists.

Why I should do that when I question soul's existence?

thedoc wrote: None of the first 3 have been demonstrated to be true, you have only stated them without any support.
Therefore 4 is not valid.

No, the first 3 statements are correct. We know that we cannot divide soul to anything hence (1) is correct. Something which is irreducible cannot be designable because it hasn't any part hence (2) is true. The act of creation needs design since you are expecting that soul or anything created has a special functioning hence (3) is correct.