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Time does not exist.
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:03 pm
by bahman
We experience forms and motions. Time is a concept that we use to have an idea about two motions, one is our standard clock and another is subject of our experience.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:50 pm
by Harbal
bahman wrote:We experience forms and motions. Time is a concept that we use to have an idea about two motions, one is our standard clock and another is subject of our experience.
You should try sitting in my doctor's waiting room. I can assure you that time most definitely exists in there.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:22 am
by Impenitent
time may be a swiss conspiracy but farmers will tell you differently...
-Imp
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:21 am
by bahman
Harbal wrote:
bahman wrote:We experience forms and motions. Time is a concept that we use to have an idea about two motions, one is our standard clock and another is subject of our experience.
You should try sitting in my doctor's waiting room. I can assure you that time most definitely exists in there.
You have no sense to help you to experience passage of time. You are comparing your psychological motion to something else, like your thoughts, when your are waiting in your doctor's room. Just try to don't lead that your mind scattered with anything to find out that there is no passage of time. I can do that easily and I am sure you can do that either.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:22 am
by bahman
Impenitent wrote:
time may be a swiss conspiracy but farmers will tell you differently...
-Imp
What do you mean?
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:30 am
by uwot
Stuff happens. The Earth goes found the Sun. It rotates as it does so. Pendulums swing. Atoms vibrate. It is by counting these things that we get a sense of time, but all we are doing is counting events. There is no evidence that there is a discrete substance called time in which these things happen.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:56 am
by bahman
uwot wrote:
Stuff happens. The Earth goes found the Sun. It rotates as it does so. Pendulums swing. Atoms vibrate. It is by counting these things that we get a sense of time, but all we are doing is counting events. There is no evidence that there is a discrete substance called time in which these things happen.
What I am arguing is that time does not exist which is stronger than your claim.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:13 am
by Harbal
bahman wrote:
What I am arguing is that time does not exist
How do you propose we function without behaving as if it does exist?
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:20 am
by uwot
bahman wrote:What I am arguing is that time does not exist which is stronger than your claim.
Go for it. What I'm saying is that change at least appears to happen and it is by this perception of change that we identify time. There is no need to postulate a metaphysical entity called time, although as Kant pointed out, it's a useful concept.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:35 am
by bahman
Harbal wrote:
bahman wrote:
What I am arguing is that time does not exist
How do you propose we function without behaving as if it does exist?
I don't understand your question and how it could be related to OP.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:39 am
by sthitapragya
bahman wrote:We experience forms and motions. Time is a concept that we use to have an idea about two motions, one is our standard clock and another is subject of our experience.
We had a friend here who suggested that space does not exist. Only time does. When you look at distant stars, what you are actually measuring is time and not distance. For instance when you observe a star 5000 light years away, you are not seeing it in the present form. You are watching something that happened 5000 years ago. That star could already have exploded for all you know. So according to him, there is no space. Only time exists. The distance between two objects is actually the time difference between them however infinitesimal the difference might be.
Even if two people are standing a few feet apart, if one observes the other, there is a time lag. So whatever you observe is always the past, never the present.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:56 am
by Harbal
bahman wrote:
I don't understand your question and how it could be related to OP.
How do you get through a normal day without behaving as if time does exist? If somebody wanted you to meet them in 1 hour how would you handle the situation?
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:05 pm
by bahman
sthitapragya wrote:
We had a friend here who suggested that space does not exist. Only time does. When you look at distant stars, what you are actually measuring is time and not distance. For instance when you observe a star 5000 light years away, you are not seeing it in the present form. You are watching something that happened 5000 years ago. That star could already have exploded for all you know. So according to him, there is no space. Only time exists. The distance between two objects is actually the time difference between them however infinitesimal the difference might be.
Even if two people are standing a few feet apart, if one observes the other, there is a time lag. So whatever you observe is always the past, never the present.
I think that space does exist. We can perceive/measure it directly. That not the case by time. We cannot perceive it. We use motion in an apparatus, our standard clock, to measure the motion of another thing, subject of our study.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:10 pm
by bahman
Harbal wrote:
How do you get through a normal day without behaving as if time does exist?
I use the motion of something whether it is my clock or my psychological motion to move on.
Harbal wrote:
If somebody wanted you to meet them in 1 hour how would you handle the situation?
I use a standard clock which move uniformly. 1 hour is equal to an amount of motion in my clock.
Re: Time does not exist.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:19 pm
by Harbal
bahman wrote: 1 hour is equal to an amount of motion in my clock.
And what do you call the thing in between any two points of motion?