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The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:10 am
by Nick_A
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Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:58 am
by Dalek Prime
What's anonymous about it, exactly? Would you mind being a little more vague, please?

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:50 am
by Nick_A
Dalek, first let me see if anyone understands what is meant by anonymous

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:56 am
by sthitapragya
Dalek Prime wrote:What's anonymous about it, exactly? Would you mind being a little more vague, please?
He is quoting Whackjob Weil again. What did you expect? Clarity and succinctness? I think I have finally figured out what makes Nick tick. If he doesn't understand it, it is profound even if others can understand it and see how ridiculously stupid it is.

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:56 am
by Dalek Prime
Nick_A wrote:Dalek, first let me see if anyone understands what is meant by anonymous
We're anonymous, here on this forum. Am I close?

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:57 am
by Dalek Prime
sthitapragya wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:What's anonymous about it, exactly? Would you mind being a little more vague, please?
He is quoting Whackjob Weil again. What did you expect? Clarity and succinctness? I think I have finally figured out what makes Nick tick. If he doesn't understand it, it is profound even if others can understand it and see how ridiculously stupid it is.
I really wish he'd read a second author. It would double his knowledge.

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:02 am
by sthitapragya
Dalek Prime wrote:
sthitapragya wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:What's anonymous about it, exactly? Would you mind being a little more vague, please?
He is quoting Whackjob Weil again. What did you expect? Clarity and succinctness? I think I have finally figured out what makes Nick tick. If he doesn't understand it, it is profound even if others can understand it and see how ridiculously stupid it is.
I really wish he'd read a second author. It would double his knowledge.
Are you actually crediting WW with giving him some knowledge? You are a generous man.

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:09 am
by Nick_A
This is really amazing. Hopefully someone will show up with artistic depth who understands what is meant by anonymous. If not, well there is always good scotch to cover a multitude of sins.

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:17 am
by Dalek Prime
sthitapragya wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:
sthitapragya wrote:
He is quoting Whackjob Weil again. What did you expect? Clarity and succinctness? I think I have finally figured out what makes Nick tick. If he doesn't understand it, it is profound even if others can understand it and see how ridiculously stupid it is.
I really wish he'd read a second author. It would double his knowledge.
Are you actually crediting WW with giving him some knowledge? You are a generous man.
In all fairness, he did read one book. Okay, maybe skimmed it.

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:18 am
by Dalek Prime
Nick_A wrote:This is really amazing. Hopefully someone will show up with artistic depth who understands what is meant by anonymous. If not, well there is always good scotch to cover a multitude of sins.
I'd be happier if you stuck with the scotch then. Is there hope for that outcome?

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:26 am
by sthitapragya
Nick_A wrote:This is really amazing. Hopefully someone will show up with artistic depth who understands what is meant by anonymous. If not, well there is always good scotch to cover a multitude of sins.
Nick, you brought the word into the picture. So it is for you to define it. So why don't you? Or are you afraid to commit yourself to the definition? You really take cop outs to a whole new level.

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:39 am
by Nick_A
sthit wrote:
Nick, you brought the word into the picture. So it is for you to define it. So why don't you? Or are you afraid to commit yourself to the definition? You really take cop outs to a whole new level.
As I wrote, I'm hoping one person will show up who understands what is meant by anonymous in older religious music of quality. Then perhaps a real discussion can begin as opposed to inviting the seek and destroy mission that is the norm for the usual suspects in matters of quality.

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:43 am
by Nick_A
D P wrote: I'd be happier if you stuck with the scotch then. Is there hope for that outcome?
Yes, if no one with the soul of an artist shows up who I can exchange with. And by that I don't mean someone who just expresses themselves.

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:10 am
by Dalek Prime
Nick_A wrote:
D P wrote: I'd be happier if you stuck with the scotch then. Is there hope for that outcome?
Yes, if no one with the soul of an artist shows up who I can exchange with. And by that I don't mean someone who just expresses themselves.
This is almost too good to be true. Someone pinch me!

Re: The Anonymous in Religious Music

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:18 am
by sthitapragya
Nick_A wrote:sthit wrote:
Nick, you brought the word into the picture. So it is for you to define it. So why don't you? Or are you afraid to commit yourself to the definition? You really take cop outs to a whole new level.
As I wrote, I'm hoping one person will show up who understands what is meant by anonymous in older religious music of quality. Then perhaps a real discussion can begin as opposed to inviting the seek and destroy mission that is the norm for the usual suspects in matters of quality.
Seems to me that anonymous is used as an attempt to take credit away from the composer and claim that either a higher consciousness helped in composing it, or the collective did it. Either way, it is a blatant attempt at trying to hog the credit or to claim the composer had help and thus discredit him. This is usually the kind of stuff people without talent do when they come across real talent. They cannot believe that a human being can by himself create something so amazing because they themselves couldn't do it. It is a pathetic attempt at taking away from the greatness of the composer by people who cannot achieve much in life.

Is that a good enough definition?