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I have noticed for quite a while how most people are so quick to punish the slightest indiscretion. I am wondering if many of these people also wanting to be punished for thier indiscretions?

In the past, I have always sought vengeance/justice (?). It has only been in the past 10-20 years that I try to let things go. Let bygones be bygones.

I think it was a learned behavior...as I was lucky to meet rational people who did not behave rashly when faced with a wrongdoing or foe.

It has been to my benefit, in the long run, to suppress my hot temper. It has helped my business, even though, there are those who take advantage, it has been my experience therequired are way more business opportunities when you are level headed than when you seek to punish.

People tend to not trust a person who punishes impulsively and frequently.

I would be curious to know how much business Trump currently gets from his reputation of being vindictive and not paying or using name calling and bullying to get his way, as opposed to the business he got when he was relatively new to the business world?

artisticsolution wrote: I would be curious to know how much business Trump currently gets from his reputation of being vindictive and not paying or using name calling and bullying to get his way, as opposed to the business he got when he was relatively new to the business world?

Just curious, how have you found Trump to be in the business dealings you have had with him? Or are you just going by how the media paints him.

artisticsolution wrote:I have noticed for quite a while how most people are so quick to punish the slightest indiscretion. I am wondering if many of these people also wanting to be punished for thier indiscretions?

In the past, I have always sought vengeance/justice (?). It has only been in the past 10-20 years that I try to let things go. Let bygones be bygones.

I think it was a learned behavior...as I was lucky to meet rational people who did not behave rashly when faced with a wrongdoing or foe.

It has been to my benefit, in the long run, to suppress my hot temper. It has helped my business, even though, there are those who take advantage, it has been my experience therequired are way more business opportunities when you are level headed than when you seek to punish.

People tend to not trust a person who punishes impulsively and frequently.

I would be curious to know how much business Trump currently gets from his reputation of being vindictive and not paying or using name calling and bullying to get his way, as opposed to the business he got when he was relatively new to the business world?

I think it is about considering the other person's view point. Why did he or she do it? Quickness of judgement implies lack of thought, lack of empathy and respect for the other view point. That is what people distrust. Not the punishment itself. We fear punishment and resent it maybe, but we evaluate the thought process behind the punishment. If the thought process is found wanting, we stop trusting.

thedoc wrote:

artisticsolution wrote: I would be curious to know how much business Trump currently gets from his reputation of being vindictive and not paying or using name calling and bullying to get his way, as opposed to the business he got when he was relatively new to the business world?

Just curious, how have you found Trump to be in the business dealings you have had with him? Or are you just going by how the media paints him.

Hmmm...interesting...just let me say this about that....

I can see him on TV and hear the words he says. I can see his victims on TV and hear the words they say.

Am I to be fooled by my own eyes and ears?

But let me ask you the same thing about the opinions you form about people you don't know. Do you get yourid opinions about a person by what they say and do, or by what the media tells you?

For example, Bill Cosby has had alot of people come out and say he sexually molested them. Now...I will grant you...the media could have put them all up to it...they could have all lied. But even though I loved Bill Cosby...even I have to admit something is not right in Denmark.

Now you may say I am wrong about trump....and I would not mind that so much...IF...you also said I could be wrong about Bill Cosby....or the Republican party could be wrong about Obama and Hillary.

So you see, your argument only holds water if, and only if, you are willing to use it on your own opinions of people you've never met.

I stand by my opinion because it is not based upon opinion of others. It is based on my judgement of character of Trump himself. What Trump says and does paints a pretty clear picture.

Same as what Obama says and does paints a pretty clear picture.

Now, answer me honestly...which man do you think speaks more like a president...Trump or Obama?

It's not even a contest...trump does not have the class or temperament to be in such an important position.

Come on....be honest...you have to admit...he is a loose cannon. He's mean. He has no regard for others esp if they disagree with him. He's a tyrant. He has no problem declaring bankruptcy in order to stick contractors with the bill.

This may be how business is run but it is not the right thing. It is not kind. It's one thing to declare bankruptcy when you have no money and lost in the game of 'business ' ...its another
Thing to declare bankruptcy when your rich and you do it in order to get out of paying your bills.

By trumps own account he is rich. By his own account he declared bankruptcy because it was a smart business move. This does not make someone a good person...it makes them a person who thinks about how they can screw over people for personal gain.

And it's not like he's done this once...he's done it over and over. Not only in business....one little tweet can send him over the edge.

Trump needs no defense.

The same cannot be said for his political opponent, the unindicted criminal Hillary Rodham Clinton. She goes unprosecuted because of political corruption that goes right to the top. The FBI uncovered much evidence, made public. Obama declined to prosecute. The fix is in as Bernie found out, and he was not happy about it. A lawless POTUS is the flaw in the system.

Strike one.

Great Doestevsky novel about an egghead Neinist who couldn't shake his fever to deal with the cop eyes, btw.

He was a criminal of the worst sort. He said no to life.

His downfall was that he had a soul, and egghead that he was, he thought that soul-stuff was all nonsense.

That's how I remember it.

Since Trump is not a Neinist, what Doestevsky wrote does not apply to Trump.

Strike two.

That leaves only your personal dislike for him.

Strike three. You're out.

artisticsolution wrote: I can see him on TV and hear the words he says. I can see his victims on TV and hear the words they say.

Am I to be fooled by my own eyes and ears?

I have also heard what Trump has said, and what his victims and the media have said. I have also heard what Hillary has said and I am aware of what she has done. I don't like either as president, but given the choice between the two of them, I would rather take my chances with Trump than Hillary. Given his success in business, I believe he will be less dishonest than Hillary.

Walker wrote:
Strike three. You're out.

Life imprisonment for being hungry and "stealing" a pizza from a trash can.

USA - ya gotta luv it.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Walker wrote:
Strike three. You're out.

Life imprisonment for being hungry and "stealing" a pizza from a trash can.

USA - ya gotta luv it.

The U.S. throws away about as much food as it eats every day. Much of it is rejected by retailers before it gets to consumers. They want the prettiest produce.

Plan: Take the money that the POTUS would have spent on his next five vacations, freeze all that wasted food and ship it to Argentina every day.

The Marshall plan with freezer ships instead of planes.

Call it, The Trump Plan.

Trump is a workaholic and likely doesn't have time for vacations.

The Majesty who was his predecessor specialized in magnificent vacations.

Even Democrats widely accept that Hillary would be four more years of Your Majesty, and politeness towards the assumed imperialism is wearing thin even with the press. (Call me a dreamer).

I think we've given OP energy tit for tat by now.

thedoc wrote:

artisticsolution wrote: I can see him on TV and hear the words he says. I can see his victims on TV and hear the words they say.

Am I to be fooled by my own eyes and ears?

I have also heard what Trump has said, and what his victims and the media have said. I have also heard what Hillary has said and I am aware of what she has done. I don't like either as president, but given the choice between the two of them, I would rather take my chances with Trump than Hillary. Given his success in business, I believe he will be less dishonest than Hillary.

I don't see it this way, Doc. I think the success he's had in business has been for his benefit, not others. This to me says something very important about his personality. He is not in it for others...he is in it for personal gain. This is not conducive to an important position like president of the USA. I think he is telling you all what you want to hear, and basically making himself as blank of a slate as he can for his followers to project their wants and desires on to him based on no actual evidence.

He will not debate hillary about the issues...because he would have to answer some tough questions...and he loves to leave them open ended... Like "Oh, don't worry, I am going to fix health care...believe me!" It's actually brilliant manipulation technique he is using on you all. He is letting you fill in the blanks to whatever plan you think would be good....leaving you to think as if he is on your side...but he could simply mean he is going to fix it by giving it up to the Chinese to run...or getting rid of it altogether! Who knows!?

All I know is you are putting your trust in a guy who is mean to just about everybody! If you were in a business dealing with you, he would take advantage of you to his benefit whenever he could. Now what are the chances he cares about anybody in america but himself and his family? none.

Hillary might be status qou....but at least we know what we would be getting. At least she talks about trying to help people. What has trump ever actually said that made you think he'd help anyone but himself.

I just don't think trump supporters are very good judges of character. Or just how dangerous their gullibility is.

artisticsolution wrote: He will not debate Hillary about the issues...

I was in a similar situation, it came to a choice to take a hit, or give a lying sack of Shit a pulpit to spew some more lies. I chose to take the hit. I would say that Trump was pretty smart to not give Hillary a platform to lie from.

artisticsolution wrote: All I know is you are putting your trust in a guy who is mean to just about everybody! If you were in a business dealing with you, he would take advantage of you to his benefit whenever he could. Now what are the chances he cares about anybody in america but himself and his family? none.

Hillary might be status quo....but at least we know what we would be getting.

Hillary is a mean viscous bitch and I would sooner have Trump than her.

You describe Hillary as the status quo, and that can't get much worse. So we know how bad things will be with her, I'd rather take a chance that Trump will make things better, he can't make it worse, but we know that Hillary won't make it better.

supreme court

-Imp

thedoc wrote:

artisticsolution wrote: All I know is you are putting your trust in a guy who is mean to just about everybody! If you were in a business dealing with you, he would take advantage of you to his benefit whenever he could. Now what are the chances he cares about anybody in america but himself and his family? none.

Hillary might be status quo....but at least we know what we would be getting.

Hillary is a mean viscous bitch and I would sooner have Trump than her.

You describe Hillary as the status quo, and that can't get much worse. So we know how bad things will be with her, I'd rather take a chance that Trump will make things better, he can't make it worse, but we know that Hillary won't make it better.

Look, I know you're going to vote for Trump and there's nothing anyone could say or do to stop you. I get that.

I'm just saying you are not thinking rationally. Now I know you're going to be mad at that last statement but it's true.

Here's why:

Look at the state the country is in now vs. The way it was when Bush left. When Bush left, no one was out on the streets...it was a ghost town everywhere. America was scared shit less to buy a thing....businesses were laying off/firing people like crazy....we were hemorrhaging after 4 years of Republicans choice for president.

Fast forward 8 years and look out your window and you see things pretty much back to normal. Jobs are back, people are buying...are things perfect? No...but they never were...not under reagan...not under clinton...not under God almighty...just get perfection out of your head...it's not happening.

So at least we can be practical and say hillary will be 4 more years of the same past 8 years of Obama. Whereas Trump is a ticking time bomb. Think of your grandchildren as trump... reactive type that he is...decides to start a nuclear war. That is a game changer. I don't see hillary doing that. Think of you and you wife as trump decides his taxes are too high and cuts you're medicare benefits.

I'm just being practical. My voting record has been of sound mind and has not harmed the country as much as your voting decisions have.

Just what makes you Republicans think you are qualified to choose the next president after your stupid decision to vote for George Bush?

Be reasonable.

We must be living in different countries and different worlds, because I'm not seeing what you claim to be seeing.