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...Sir Friedrich Nietzsche
...Sir Sigmund Freud

All three dead white male thinkers described as game-changers by Bettany Hughes who traces the origins of their work in a new BBC 4 series.

Last night, I half-listened to the examination of Marx, who I've never really troubled myself to understand.
Bettany Hughes is fascinating to watch and listen to - she reminded us of the dangers of 'ideas calcifying into ideologies'...that the written word, as Plato said, 'is often an orphan' and can be wilfully abused'.

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So, we should never stop questioning...
Orthodox ideas - Tradition...
like the UK Honours System.
'Sir' indeed !

This informative series, produced by BBC Religion and Ethics, can help enlighten minds, to challenge the status quo and to grow our own philosophiy of life. It's all good ! The honours go to Bettany and team

Connivin' Karl: some body shoulda shot that son of a bitch early on...never has a more diseased perspective led so many to the abatoir.

Mad Fred: stole his best ideas from Stirner (muckin' them up in the process)...the iconoclast who would be King.

Nose Candy Siggy: another son of a bitch who directed (directs) a whole whack of folks to the abatoir...him and L. Ron share a cell in Hell's basement.

henry quirk wrote:Connivin' Karl: some body shoulda shot that son of a bitch early on...never has a more diseased perspective led so many to the abatoir.

Mad Fred: stole his best ideas from Stirner (muckin' them up in the process)...the iconoclast who would be King.

Nose Candy Siggy: another son of a bitch who directed (directs) a whole whack of folks to the abatoir...him and L. Ron share a cell in Hell's basement.

I love you, henry quirk, you made me laugh!
Reckon you should get your own show.

henry quirk wrote:Connivin' Karl: some body shoulda shot that son of a bitch early on...never has a more diseased perspective led so many to the abatoir.

Mad Fred: stole his best ideas from Stirner (muckin' them up in the process)...the iconoclast who would be King.

Nose Candy Siggy: another son of a bitch who directed (directs) a whole whack of folks to the abatoir...him and L. Ron share a cell in Hell's basement.

let's face it you only know Marx from what you have read on the back of a packet of Kellogs Cornflakes/

HA!

Mebbe...doesn't make me 'wrong'.

So, you, Mr. Hobbes, can get bent.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

henry quirk wrote:Connivin' Karl: some body shoulda shot that son of a bitch early on...never has a more diseased perspective led so many to the abatoir.

Mad Fred: stole his best ideas from Stirner (muckin' them up in the process)...the iconoclast who would be King.

Nose Candy Siggy: another son of a bitch who directed (directs) a whole whack of folks to the abatoir...him and L. Ron share a cell in Hell's basement.

let's face it you only know Marx from what you have read on the back of a packet of Kellogs Cornflakes/

OK, the show is on!
I'm an ignorant but interested spectator.

Questions to henry:
what do you know about the perspective of Marx ?
why do you consider this perspective diseased?
who and how many were led by his ideas?
which 'abattoir' and where ?

henry quirk wrote:HA!

Mebbe...doesn't make me 'wrong'.

So, you, Mr. Hobbes, can get bent.

Tsk, tsk, henry. Remember you are on air.

what do you know about the perspective of Marx ?

Enough.

why do you consider this perspective diseased?

It reduces the human individual to piece and part, much in the same way its advocates claim capitalism does.

who and how many were led by his ideas?

I'm thinkin' you already this answer to this one.

which 'abattoir' and where ?

Ditto.

"Tsk, tsk, henry. Remember you are on air."

Pshaw! I was nice...only told him to get bent...coulda said 'go fuck yourself'.

henry quirk wrote:what do you know about the perspective of Marx ?

Enough.

why do you consider this perspective diseased?

It reduces the human individual to piece and part, much in the same way its advocates claim capitalism does.

who and how many were led by his ideas?

I'm thinkin' you this answer to this one.

which 'abattoir' and where ?

Ditto.

What is the source of 'Enough'?
Please show me where you got that one piece of information about the perspective of Marx.
You be thinkin' wrong, dear Henry. ( even with the editing )
Good show of avoidance. Slip-slide some more and you'll fall off the stage.
Next act...

henry quirk wrote:"Tsk, tsk, henry. Remember you are on air."

Pshaw! I was nice...only told him to get bent...coulda said 'go fuck yourself'.

OK Mr Nice Guy - play on ?

meh

henry quirk wrote:Connivin' Karl: some body shoulda shot that son of a bitch early on...never has a more diseased perspective led so many to the abatoir. ...

Except of course everybody ignored his actual idea which was Historical Materialism.

Mad Fred: stole his best ideas from Stirner (muckin' them up in the process)...the iconoclast who would be King.

Still reading Stirner and not sure I think either of them that accurate about humans, maybe good on a specific culture but in general, court is still out for me.

Nose Candy Siggy: another son of a bitch who directed (directs) a whole whack of folks to the abatoir...him and L. Ron share a cell in Hell's basement.

Couldn't agree more but his real sin appears to be rewriting his stuff to get published as his original work appears to have been ignored by the culture at the time, i.e. that women's hysterics were based upon actually being beaten, abused and raped within and without the family.

marjoram_blues wrote:

henry quirk wrote:"Tsk, tsk, henry. Remember you are on air."

Pshaw! I was nice...only told him to get bent...coulda said 'go fuck yourself'.

OK Mr Nice Guy - play on ?

I think he has confirmed my analysis of his knowledge claim.