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Hunting.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:19 pm
by thedoc
People who oppose hunting, usually don't understand the dynamics of a wild animal population in an ares where there is a large population of humans. Wild animals depend on the balance of predator and prey to keep both populations in control. In certain areas wild predators have been eliminated or driven out of the area, so human hunters must replace those predators or the wild population of prey animals will increase out of control till the area is overpopulated and there is a die off of prey animals. A large number of dead prey animals is not healthy for anyone.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:50 pm
by Green
That's true, also the auto accidents that occur from large game would be greater if hunters didn't help keep the system in check. Some people don't understand this but it's not their fault, it's that their geography is different.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:06 am
by Dalek Prime
thedoc wrote:People who oppose hunting, usually don't understand the dynamics of a wild animal population in an ares where there is a large population of humans. Wild animals depend on the balance of predator and prey to keep both populations in control. In certain areas wild predators have been eliminated or driven out of the area, so human hunters must replace those predators or the wild population of prey animals will increase out of control till the area is overpopulated
Hmmm, just like people, only we're the chief predators and encroachers. 
and there is a die off of prey animals. A large number of dead prey animals is not healthy for anyone.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:15 am
by Green
Encroachers, really? I thought this is called progress.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:52 am
by thedoc
Green wrote:Encroachers, really? I thought this is called progress.
The Earth has a natural carrying capacity for any species, and that of humanity would be the number that can survive as hunter gatherers. The population of humans has far exceeded that number, so that now the only way humanity can survive is through intensive agriculture. I'm not advocating that we abandon agriculture but if there were fewer humans on the planet, humans would have much less impact on the environment. As it is humans are destroying the environment and that will have negative impacts in the future.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:18 am
by Greta
Agree with the OP. In areas where the top predators have been displaced and cannot be restored close to human settlements, then human hunters need to fill the gap. Also to help out native animals and plants by reducing feral animal populations. It should be said that weeding invasive plant species is less high profile and exciting than hunting but is at least as helpful, although like rogue hunters, some weeds will overstep and steal protected native species. Hunting with sensible and practical regulation.
thedoc wrote:I'm not advocating that we abandon agriculture but if there were fewer humans on the planet, humans would have much less impact on the environment. As it is humans are destroying the environment and that will have negative impacts in the future.
... and those negative impacts will result in a reduced human population. No matter which way it happens, our population is unsustainable and will reduce one way or another, and I can't imagine a nice way for population to reduce, given the way the world's cultures are. Maybe a compulsory 80-year life span? I wouldn't say that if I was 79, though
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:28 am
by Dalek Prime
Greta wrote:Agree with the OP. In areas where the top predators have been displaced and cannot be restored close to human settlements, then human hunters need to fill the gap. Also to help out native animals and plants by reducing feral animal populations. It should be said that weeding invasive plant species is less high profile and exciting than hunting but is at least as helpful, although like rogue hunters, some weeds will overstep and steal protected native species. Hunting with sensible and practical regulation.
thedoc wrote:I'm not advocating that we abandon agriculture but if there were fewer humans on the planet, humans would have much less impact on the environment. As it is humans are destroying the environment and that will have negative impacts in the future.
... and those negative impacts will result in a reduced human population. No matter which way it happens, our population is unsustainable and will reduce one way or another, and
I can't imagine a nice way for population to reduce, given the way the world's cultures are. Maybe a compulsory 80-year life span? I wouldn't say that if I was 79, though
Not procreating
is a nice way to reduce population.
Speaking of age limits though, do you recall the 70s movie
Logan's Run, where everyone was killed off at thirty?
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:25 am
by thedoc
Greta wrote:
... and those negative impacts will result in a reduced human population. No matter which way it happens, our population is unsustainable and will reduce one way or another, and I can't imagine a nice way for population to reduce, given the way the world's cultures are. Maybe a compulsory 80-year life span? I wouldn't say that if I was 79, though
I would suggest that reducing the birth rate is the most humane way to reduce the population, though it isn't as fast as some would like.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:29 am
by thedoc
Dalek Prime wrote:
Speaking of age limits though, do you recall the 70s movie Logan's Run, where everyone was killed off at thirty?
Star Trek did an episode on that theme. Kirk beamed down to a planet ruled by children, but was able to talk them out of killing him by pointing out to the leader that he was fast approaching the age limit.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:17 am
by Dalek Prime
thedoc wrote:Dalek Prime wrote:
Speaking of age limits though, do you recall the 70s movie Logan's Run, where everyone was killed off at thirty?
Star Trek did an episode on that theme. Kirk beamed down to a planet ruled by children, but was able to talk them out of killing him by pointing out to the leader that he was fast approaching the age limit.
I recall that episode now, yes.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:35 pm
by Greta
thedoc wrote:Dalek Prime wrote:
Speaking of age limits though, do you recall the 70s movie Logan's Run, where everyone was killed off at thirty?
Star Trek did an episode on that theme. Kirk beamed down to a planet ruled by children, but was able to talk them out of killing him by pointing out to the leader that he was fast approaching the age limit.
Yep, I was thinking of Logan's Run at the time. I think 80 gives people a bit more of a chance to most of the good stuff out of life - still plenty of chance to become wise with age and dispense the wisdom and reduce the bad run home.
The birth rate control aspect seems fine in the west and east Asia but in many other places it's still very high. Ideally more women in those countries would be educated.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:59 pm
by thedoc
Greta wrote:
The birth rate control aspect seems fine in the west and east Asia but in many other places it's still very high. Ideally more women in those countries would be educated.
In HS one of my teachers thought the way to cure the problem of high birth rates in poor countries, was to put a TV in every home. He seemed to have overlooked the logistics problem of providing electricity or batteries for the sets, and then what do they watch, there were few to none of broadcast TV stations in the area.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:38 pm
by Walker
Deer hunters donate heavily to food banks for the poor, which is not surprising from responsible members of a community. Many hungry people are grateful to eat the nutritious, lean food that hasn’t been scientifically grown on a meat farm.
Remove the government social support network and the birthrate will regulate to conditions. Not likely, as for many the support network has become the foundation rather than the safety net.
Cultures that can’t afford the kids are having lots of kids. In cultures that can afford kids there’s so much stuff to buy and so many fun things to do that women have to work, so kids get institutionalized earlier.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:50 pm
by pinto
thedoc wrote:People who oppose hunting, usually don't understand the dynamics of a wild animal population in an ares where there is a large population of humans. Wild animals depend on the balance of predator and prey to keep both populations in control. In certain areas wild predators have been eliminated or driven out of the area, so human hunters must replace those predators or the wild population of prey animals will increase out of control till the area is overpopulated and there is a die off of prey animals. A large number of dead prey animals is not healthy for anyone.
Stupid, shallow post. Stop using up their habitat then. People who enjoy killing are psychopathic shit-heads.
Re: Hunting.
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:09 pm
by thedoc
pinto wrote: psychopathic shit-head.
Thankyou for giving me a clear picture of who you are.