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God’s decree. No punishment after death for men.

A good God must be a huge hearted Universalist God. If not then he is a satanic loser. All are equal before God. If not then God would not be righteous. God forbid.

http://gnosis.org/library/ephip.htm

It must then follow that there is no punishment of man after death. Intelligently, God creates all for the best of all possible ends. This is also a natural law.

Only a loser of a God would have a heaven and a hell. Only a poor shepherd would lose a huge part of his flock.

Is your God a Universalist God?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:God’s decree. No punishment after death for men.
A good God must be a huge hearted Universalist God. If not then he is a satanic loser. All are equal before God. If not then God would not be righteous. God forbid.

http://gnosis.org/library/ephip.htm

It must then follow that there is no punishment of man after death. Intelligently, God creates all for the best of all possible ends. This is also a natural law.
Only a loser of a God would have a heaven and a hell. Only a poor shepherd would lose a huge part of his flock.
Is your God a Universalist God?

Regards
DL

The more I consider it, I am coming to the conclusion that God does not condemn or punish anyone, each individual will get the reward or punishment they believe they deserve. There are a few exceptions, that I am confident that others will point out. Hell or Hades will be more like a purgatory where the sin and evil is purged from the soul till it is fit for Heaven, but this is determined more by the individual than God.

"punishment they believe they deserve"

If we are to emulate God as most religions teach, then what we deserve should always be perfect forgiveness if we are to think as a Universalist God thinks and see us all as equal as that would include equal in the punishment we deserve. If we all deserve the same then all things are equal and that becomes the standard.

No one then deserves punishment if all do.

Imagine a genocidal leader type of evil entity facing God for judgement.
God would rightly send such a soul to hell, in the human prison sense, but in the perfect punishment sense, justice would say that all who conspired to make that monster a monster should also be punished.

Now expand that thinking to all of us, and we all deserve to share the same punishment because we all contribute to what we all are in terms of good or evil.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:"punishment they believe they deserve"

If we are to emulate God as most religions teach, then what we deserve should always be perfect forgiveness if we are to think as a Universalist God thinks and see us all as equal as that would include equal in the punishment we deserve. If we all deserve the same then all things are equal and that becomes the standard.

No one then deserves punishment if all do.

Imagine a genocidal leader type of evil entity facing God for judgement.
God would rightly send such a soul to hell, in the human prison sense, but in the perfect punishment sense, justice would say that all who conspired to make that monster a monster should also be punished.

Now expand that thinking to all of us, and we all deserve to share the same punishment because we all contribute to what we all are in terms of good or evil.

Regards
DL

Perhaps seeking forgiveness is a factor, if a 'genocidal leader' doesn't seek forgiveness for what others have judged as wrong, perhaps God has judged it wrong as well, and lack of forgiveness might be enough to condemn one to purgatory till that person is purged of sin and evil.

thedoc wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:"punishment they believe they deserve"

If we are to emulate God as most religions teach, then what we deserve should always be perfect forgiveness if we are to think as a Universalist God thinks and see us all as equal as that would include equal in the punishment we deserve. If we all deserve the same then all things are equal and that becomes the standard.

No one then deserves punishment if all do.

Imagine a genocidal leader type of evil entity facing God for judgement.
God would rightly send such a soul to hell, in the human prison sense, but in the perfect punishment sense, justice would say that all who conspired to make that monster a monster should also be punished.

Now expand that thinking to all of us, and we all deserve to share the same punishment because we all contribute to what we all are in terms of good or evil.

Regards
DL

Perhaps seeking forgiveness is a factor, if a 'genocidal leader' doesn't seek forgiveness for what others have judged as wrong, perhaps God has judged it wrong as well, and lack of forgiveness might be enough to condemn one to purgatory till that person is purged of sin and evil.

But then you forget that that evil person was created and helped by those around him.

Why seek forgiveness for what is not your fault and is the fault of all those who made you what you are?

All should seek that forgiveness, in a sense, but there is no one to give it and if all share the same fate and blame, no forgiveness is required.

Regards
DL

Is daddy going to spank us for being bad, and not being obedient? Oh, come on, you're all adults here (in actual age, anyways). Show some spine and stand up to him. Tell daddy "No, I will not drop my trousers for a beating! I'm a big boy now!"

Dalek Prime wrote:Is daddy going to spank us for being bad, and not being obedient? Oh, come on, you're all adults here (in actual age, anyways). Show some spine and stand up to him. Tell daddy "No, I will not drop my trousers for a beating! I'm a big boy now!"

If you've read this before, you can stop reading now.

When my grandson was 3 he decided that he was a 'big boy' and big boys don't take naps. I went along with that till he was about 3 years and 10 months, and showing no sign of interest in using the toilet. It was a Wed. afternoon and I had just changed a dirty diaper, so I told him, "Big boys don't take naps, but big boys use the toilet. I just changed your diaper so you're a little boy, and you are taking a nap". I put him on the couch and wouldn't let him up till he took a nap. I kept that up Thu. and Fri. and that weekend his parents said he was using the toilet, and he hasn't had an accident since.

God’s decree. No punishment after death for men.

So all the women are going to hell, then God will know where all the "bad" girls are.

thedoc wrote:

Dalek Prime wrote:Is daddy going to spank us for being bad, and not being obedient? Oh, come on, you're all adults here (in actual age, anyways). Show some spine and stand up to him. Tell daddy "No, I will not drop my trousers for a beating! I'm a big boy now!"

If you've read this before, you can stop reading now.

When my grandson was 3 he decided that he was a 'big boy' and big boys don't take naps. I went along with that till he was about 3 years and 10 months, and showing no sign of interest in using the toilet. It was a Wed. afternoon and I had just changed a dirty diaper, so I told him, "Big boys don't take naps, but big boys use the toilet. I just changed your diaper so you're a little boy, and you are taking a nap". I put him on the couch and wouldn't let him up till he took a nap. I kept that up Thu. and Fri. and that weekend his parents said he was using the toilet, and he hasn't had an accident since.

Lol! Great story, doc! This big boy does really long naps when he can, just to mention. (And uses the potty.)

Dalek Prime wrote: Lol! Great story, doc! This big boy does really long naps when he can, just to mention. (And uses the potty.)

My granddaughter has just turned 6 and has not said anything about being too grown up to take naps. When she is home with her mother or father she usually doesn't take a nap in the afternoon, but when she is with me, there is no question about taking a nap, especially if I use my blanket to cover her. Occasionally she gets grumpy and I will send her back to her room to rest awhile, and she doesn't argue or protest. The grandson in 10 and occasionally will fall asleep in the afternoon when he is with me, depending on what kinds of activity he has been engaged in, so his "no nap" rule is not 100% anymore.

thedoc wrote:God’s decree. No punishment after death for men.

So all the women are going to hell, then God will know where all the "bad" girls are.

That was written so that I could ask you to opine as to why women are so underrepresented in places like this.

Care to opine?

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: That was written so that I could ask you to opine as to why women are so underrepresented in places like this.

Care to opine?

Regards
DL

Probably the presence of men like you on this forum, cause women to roll their eyes in disgust, and go somewhere else.

thedoc wrote:

Greatest I am wrote: That was written so that I could ask you to opine as to why women are so underrepresented in places like this.

Care to opine?

Regards
DL

Probably the presence of men like you on this forum, cause women to roll their eyes in disgust, and go somewhere else.

IOW. You have no idea.

Thanks for showing us all your character though.

Regards
DL