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“As for saying something intelligent I have posted explanations of my position multiple times in this thread with little more than condescention in response.” (a peer-reviewed observation from another thread)

Hear hear.

To begin, something to chew on.

If you please, interpretations on the recent detention of U.S. sailors by Iran, other than generalities such as, war is bad.

Have we witnessed poor training, cowardice, an orchestrated mockery of the apology meme?

I thought the rule is: name, rank, and serial number.

Possibly, progressive tendencies will be suspended here, now that they are known as errors of humanity rather than attack tips.

Those POW rules only apply during times of war with the enemy. Iran and the US are not (currently, and hopefully it stays that way) at war, so those rules do not apply. Being that it was a largely Junior crew in both boats it seems easily dismissed as poor execution. The quick release of both crews and their boats is a welcome end to the incident although for the Lt. In command it won't be the end of it as this will surely spark an in depth investigation by the US Navy.

BigWhit wrote:Those POW rules only apply during times of war with the enemy. Iran and the US are not (currently, and hopefully it stays that way) at war, so those rules do not apply. Being that it was a largely Junior crew in both boats it seems easily dismissed as poor execution. The quick release of both crews and their boats is a welcome end to the incident although for the Lt. In command it won't be the end of it as this will surely spark an in depth investigation by the US Navy.

“The last formal declaration of war was made by the U.S.S.R. against Japan in 1945.”
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Beginning fairly recently British military have been instructed to cooperate in the making of propoganda videos against Britain. Just wondered if U.S. personnel are similarly trained to cooperate in that way, with the military of another nation, and if so, why.

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Walker wrote:“As for saying something intelligent I have posted explanations of my position multiple times in this thread with little more than condescention in response.” (a peer-reviewed observation from another thread)

Hear hear.

To begin, something to chew on.

If you please, interpretations on the recent detention of U.S. sailors by Iran, other than generalities such as, war is bad.

Have we witnessed poor training, cowardice, an orchestrated mockery of the apology meme?

I thought the rule is: name, rank, and serial number.

Possibly, progressive tendencies will be suspended here, now that they are known as errors of humanity rather than attack tips.

My view is that the US hates Iran for its freedom.

The differences between the political parties in Iran is greater that the differences between Republicans and Democrats, and so in Iran people feel that their view is more represented by a democratic system that out performs that of the USA.
Get over it.

I have no need to "get over" your opinion, Hobbes.

Walker wrote:I have no need to "get over" your opinion, Hobbes.

You have no need to take the cotton wool out of your ears, and the blindfold over your eyes, because you would rather absorb the shit from your TV, and believe what you are supposed to believe.

Walker wrote:Beginning fairly recently British military have been instructed to cooperate in the making of propoganda videos against Britain. Just wondered if U.S. personnel are similarly trained to cooperate in that way, with the military of another nation, and if so, why.

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Some Americans did this in Vietnam, including McCain. There is only so much criticism you can give someone who is under the control of an enemy with no allegiance to or outright defiance of the Geneva Convention.

But no, as far as I was trained we were only to give what the convention states we must and absolutely no more. This case is slightly different. They were in the wrong for being in Iranian territorial waters.

Interesting. Different rules than Britain.

Anyone have a fact based idea why the rule instructing British military to participate in anti-British propaganda videos, as indicated by the factual evidence?

The how is obvious.

Walker wrote:Interesting. Different rules than Britain.

Anyone have a fact based idea why the rule instructing British military to participate in anti-British propaganda videos, as indicated by the factual evidence?

The how is obvious.

There is a big difference between accepting the fact that captured service personnel are going to participate in the instructions of their captors on the one hand and "instructed to participate" on the other.
The suggestion is hysterical.

But let's consider this mythical "name rank serial number" thing.
Prisoners of war under the Geneva convention, it is said, only need give this information.
But wait!!!! We are not at war with Iran. Foreign service personnel captured by Iran are not POWs, technically they are SPIES, and are subject to the laws of the foreign nation who has caught them.
These captive are lucky to be alive.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Walker wrote:Interesting. Different rules than Britain.

Anyone have a fact based idea why the rule instructing British military to participate in anti-British propaganda videos, as indicated by the factual evidence?

The how is obvious.

There is a big difference between accepting the fact that captured service personnel are going to participate in the instructions of their captors on the one hand and "instructed to participate" on the other.
The suggestion is hysterical.

But let's consider this mythical "name rank serial number" thing.
Prisoners of war under the Geneva convention, it is said, only need give this information.
But wait!!!! We are not at war with Iran. Foreign service personnel captured by Iran are not POWs, technically they are SPIES, and are subject to the laws of the foreign nation who has caught them.
These captive are lucky to be alive.

Have you done any research or are these just your "hysterical" feelings.

Those lads are fucking lucky that they were captured by a civilised nation like Iran which does not spirit its captives away into overseas concentration camps and then subject them to years of torture without charging them with any crime.

The facts aren't adding up to the propaganda line. Disturbing.

Obvious Leo wrote:Those lads are fucking lucky that they were captured by a civilised nation like Iran which does not spirit its captives away into overseas concentration camps and then subject them to years of torture without charging them with any crime.

"Iran has announced that it will be holding a cartoon contest aimed at creating caricatures denying the Holocaust. This year, the contest's grand prize has been increased from $12,000 to $50,000."

http://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/20 ... n-contest/

Walker wrote:The facts aren't adding up to the propaganda line. Disturbing.

I agree with Leo, those kids are lucky to be alive. Shame on our governments for putting them in danger.
The US has a history of torture and kidnapping.