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It would make you an easy-going, rationally programmed guy.
Undisturbed by any emotions of any kind.

And if one wanted to what would one have to try ?

duszek wrote:It would make you an easy-going, rationally programmed guy.
Undisturbed by any emotions of any kind.

And if one wanted to what would one have to try ?

i rather like a lot of my emotions - like the emotions i have for my wife and our daughter and my brothers and ..... you get the idea

but i dont like the emotions i experience when i see clowns, they are worse then spiders

One could be a robot towards enemies and strangers and a human being towards family and friends.

Why would robots not have emotions? Then there would be no empathy, no love no sex robots, no therapeutic robots. They must have emotion to properly interact with humans, else they would be boring and dull.

A robot? Better still an android clone! - That is where futurists and transhumanists are going. A robot implies a dead machine
that follows orders and has limited thinking capacity - Not so your future android, fully capable of mimicking Human cognition - a living machine. And as I see people get older and inevitably wear out no matter how they try to prevent it, the
more I dream of the day when we could download our consciousness intact into a brand new Human like android, fully functional, possibly with the exception of ingestion and digestion of organic matter; Other functions such as sex could be duplicated by real and 'virtual' programs that would duplicate the sensations - and possibly your emotions could be 'tune-able'
so you could regulate your cognitive responses - But if it was your conscious brain intact that was so downloaded you would probably still be the same old you in a bio-mechanical manifestation.

I say 24-50 years before this is feasible

HexHammer wrote:
Why would robots not have emotions

A machine with emotions makes no sense
Because it should operate with only logic

surreptitious57 wrote:

HexHammer wrote:
Why would robots not have emotions

You need to reason why it doesn't make sense. To reason is a sign of intelligence.


A machine with emotions makes no sense
Because it should operate with only logic

Why? Emotions should be easily implemented, it's probaly less abstract than speech, if a robot can speak, the language programming is immensely more complex than psychology programming.

A robot with emotions can better interact with people and make them feel comfy and well.

An e-motion is an impulse coming from the sub-conscious or the belly and setting the individual in a certain motion.

The e-motion of fear sets the individual in flight even before he has time to think about it reasonably.
The e-motion of anger sets the individual into shouting and gesticulating and intimidating the cause of anger.
The e-motion of joy sets the individual into jumping up and down and yelling: yoo - hoo !

Can a robot have a sub-conscious or a gut feeling ?

duszek wrote: Can a robot have a sub-conscious or a gut feeling ?

Does your computer have a memory? - Probably a much better than Human memory and machine memory limits continue to be expanded - most of what your computer memory banks contain are kept in a 'sub-conscious' state and are accessed when needed.

As to a 'gut feeling' - that sounds like a hypothetical state - exactly what is a gut feeling? But if it exists I bet the machines of the future will be better at calculating its implementation than the biological humanoid. Emotions might still be trickier than gut feelings - Machine intelligence {AI} might find emotions to be illogical.

duszek wrote:An e-motion is an impulse coming from the sub-conscious or the belly and setting the individual in a certain motion.

The e-motion of fear sets the individual in flight even before he has time to think about it reasonably.
The e-motion of anger sets the individual into shouting and gesticulating and intimidating the cause of anger.
The e-motion of joy sets the individual into jumping up and down and yelling: yoo - hoo !

Can a robot have a sub-conscious or a gut feeling ?

In the future they can, but may not be implemented like the crude way humans have it.

UniversalAlien wrote:
Does your computer have a memory ? - probably a much better than human memory and machine memory limits continue to be
expanded - most of what your computer memory banks contain are kept in a sub conscious state and are accessed when needed

Computer memory is strictly functional since it contains information and nothing else. And to refer to it as sub conscious is very
misleading as there is nothing sub conscious about it at all. A computer does not think about the information it stores. It has no
sense of connection to its memories in the way that a human does. It does not evaluate them from an emotional perspective as
it is entirely logical. Therefore completely unlike the human sub conscious which is as much emotional as logical if not more so

duszek wrote:It would make you an easy-going, rationally programmed guy.
Undisturbed by any emotions of any kind.

And if one wanted to what would one have to try ?

For a day, it might be fun. Think how much housework I could get done
Switch to no-distraction mode. Yeah baby

surreptitious57 wrote:

UniversalAlien wrote:
Does your computer have a memory ? - probably a much better than human memory and machine memory limits continue to be
expanded - most of what your computer memory banks contain are kept in a sub conscious state and are accessed when needed

Computer memory is strictly functional since it contains information and nothing else. And to refer to it as sub conscious is very
misleading as there is nothing sub conscious about it at all. A computer does not think about the information it stores. It has no
sense of connection to its memories in the way that a human does. It does not evaluate them from an emotional perspective as
it is entirely logical. Therefore completely unlike the human sub conscious which is as much emotional as logical if not more so

You react subconsciously to data and are not always aware of it - The functioning computer you are now using stores much data that it might react to only under certain circumstances - it is so programmed - Your mind is also so programmed to react to certain data under certain circumstances - the secretion of adrenaline occurs when danger is present consciously but the reaction of the body is sub-conscious.

But I will agree with you that a computer does not think like a biological brain but there are some computer scientists working on trying to copy the human brain - If they succeed then you might consider a Human like robot {android}. There are those who say it will never happen and a machine will never become conscious - Futurists, including me, say it is inevitable.

There are many who dismiss out of hand the possibility of a robot that thinks or has emotions. There are others who fervently believe that such robots will be commonplace in the future. It really depends on how you define robot, thinking and emotion.

Of course a robot is a machine, but it is a special instance of a machine. Currently, robots are machines that run on computer applications. The apps govern the robot's reactions to external stimuli. The stimuli may be captured by chemical or photoelectric devices, pressure sensors or microphones that pick up sounds even a dog can't hear.

The stimuli, no matter how apprehended, are translated into computer language so that they can be used as the input for the apps that control the robot. The input, now translated into the form of 1's and 0's, is fed into a processing unit, the core of a program application.

The output is determined by how the input is processed. The processing rules are written in computer code, usually as if-then statements. For example, the app may have a rule that if the input is 0010, then it must be changed into 0011 so that it can be translated into output.

The robot's output, a reaction to the inputted stimuli, may be visual (some words or letters are shown on a display screen), electric (a lightbulb is turned on), chemical (a neutralizing substance is released into an acid) or physical (a spring is released or a lock is opened), to name a few.

So robots, fueled by a stream of inputs that have been translated into computer languages of 1's and 0's, have app-written procedures to change the input into output before the 1's and 0's are translated into actions, or behaviors.

Having described, broadly, the workings of present-day robots, I'll leave it to others to tackle thinking and emotions. Whether a robot can use it's programs, or apps, to cogitate and/or emote will, as mentioned above, will depend on how these states are defined.

duszek wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2015 3:15 pm It would make you an easy-going, rationally programmed guy.
Undisturbed by any emotions of any kind.

That is a really harmful stereotype. Emotions are perfectly rational heuristics. Half the time my emotions are way smarter than my 'rational' brain on trivial matters.

Emotions are information. You just have to train them that way. This thing people call a 'gut feeling'.... emotions. I trust my gut feeling more than I trust my computer.

There is a false assumption buried deep - that robots/computers are single, perfect, logical systems. They aren't... They are only as good as their software. And we (humans) are terrible at writing software. We are yet to produce any workable software which can solve open-ended goals. This thing we call 'creativity'.