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Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.


Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.


Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.






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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.



Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.


Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.


Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

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And wouldn't you know it there are always hoards of religious nut cases willing to conform the assertion that "we" are being attacked.
And so the merry-go-round of death continues,

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/politics/ ... -abc-news/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presiden ... d=35173579

"The United States has been successful in containing the momentum of ISIS, but more needs to be done to “completely decapitate” their operations, President Obama said in an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos.

“I don't think they're gaining strength,” the president told Stephanopoulos in an interview at the White House Thursday. “From the start our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq. And in Syria it -- they'll come in, they'll leave.

"But you don't see this systematic march by ISIL across the terrain," he added, using the government's acronym for ISIS. "


rejoice! comrade Obama has contained ISIS


-Imp

Impenitent wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/politics/ ... -abc-news/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presiden ... d=35173579

"The United States has been successful in containing the momentum of ISIS, but more needs to be done to “completely decapitate” their operations, President Obama said in an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos.

“I don't think they're gaining strength,” the president told Stephanopoulos in an interview at the White House Thursday. “From the start our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq. And in Syria it -- they'll come in, they'll leave.

"But you don't see this systematic march by ISIL across the terrain," he added, using the government's acronym for ISIS. "


rejoice! comrade Obama has contained ISIS


-Imp

To kill something, there is no point giving it a haircut. The hair just grows back stronger.
Either (1) starve it, or cut its (2) fucking head off.

1) Stop Saudi Arabia funding ISIS. Make sure no one buys its fucking oil.
2) Invade and destroy the main funding country: Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain.

Alternatively you could just leave it the fuck alone, and wait for it to drown in its own hair; or get tangled up and fight itself.

Hobbes' Choice wrote: 2) Invade and destroy the main funding country: Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain.

Right. Invading and destroying countries always works, especially when it's the righteous 'goody' that is the US of A.
You do realise that Saudi Arabia is full of ordinary people don't you?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: 2) Invade and destroy the main funding country: Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain.

Right. Invading and destroying countries always works, especially when it's the righteous 'goody' that is the US of A.
You do realise that Saudi Arabia is full of ordinary people don't you?

And what the fuck did you not understand by the phrase "Alternatively you could just leave it the fuck alone."?