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Or more exactly, from the nucleus?

We all know that electrons mostly hang out in well-defined orbits about the nucleus with high probability.

Nothing dramatic here. However I've never seen a discussion on how far off can the electron wander from the nucleus. 100 miles, 1,000 miles, a million miles? Is there a cutoff point?

Anybody have any thoughts or facts to offer?

PhilX

I have one, find a Physics forum.

Arising_uk wrote:I have one, find a Physics forum.

Which doesn't answer the question, if there is an answer.

Anyone else want to try?

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Which doesn't answer the question, if there is an answer. ...

Do you know the answer? If not why do you wish to know it? If you do then why ask a question about Physics in a Philosophy forum and not a Physics forum?

Arising_uk wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Which doesn't answer the question, if there is an answer. ...

Do you know the answer? If not why do you wish to know it? If you do then why ask a question about Physics in a Philosophy forum and not a Physics forum?

Because philosophy may be involved. Also it's my business as to why I wish to know it. So why are you so interested in this thread? Do you have an answer or insights to the question?

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Because philosophy may be involved. ...

How would Philosophy be involved?

Also it's my business as to why I wish to know it. ...

So you do, if so why aren't you asking those who are more likely to know the answer?

So why are you so interested in this thread?

I'm not, I'm interested in why you post such stuff in inappropriate places.

Do you have an answer or insights to the question?

I have the insight that you are basically doing the spammers work but with respect to the question I'd say that it's a fairly ridiculous one and takes no account of the ideas from Physics of gravity, mass and charge.

Arising_uk wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Because philosophy may be involved. ...

How would Philosophy be involved?

Also it's my business as to why I wish to know it. ...

So you do, if so why aren't you asking those who are more likely to know the answer?

So why are you so interested in this thread?

I'm not, I'm interested in why you post such stuff in inappropriate places.

Do you have an answer or insights to the question?

I have the insight that you are basically doing the spammers work but with respect to the question I'd say that it's a fairly ridiculous one and takes no account of the ideas from Physics of gravity, mass and charge.

Just a bunch of the usual garbage from you, as I expected. There are philosophical implications to my question, but you like to spam my threads with your usual nonsense. You're also implying that there are no people knowledgeable enough to answer my questions which is pathetic of you.

I will put you on ignore since you have nothing to contribute to this thread.

PhilX

It's not a valid question, Phil. Modelling electron orbits in the spatial manner which you allude to simply makes no sense in the Standard Model of Particle Physics. The reasons for this are complex mathematical ones which lie beyond the scope of this forum as well as in all likelihood beyond the interest of its members.

Obvious Leo wrote:It's not a valid question, Phil. Modelling electron orbits in the spatial manner which you allude to simply makes no sense in the Standard Model of Particle Physics. The reasons for this are complex mathematical ones which lie beyond the scope of this forum as well as in all likelihood beyond the interest of its members.

Except that electrons are nowadays regarded as waves, not particles with respect to SM so your point is weak, Leo. Maybe I can modify the question to make it more philosophical. What is the maximum distance between the electron and nucleus in order that the atom does exist beyond which the atom doesn't exist any more?

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Except that electrons are nowadays regarded as waves, not particles with respect to SM so your point is weak, Leo.

Bollocks. My point is stock standard conventional particle physics, a subject I have studied for many years. Electrons are modelled purely as dimensionless point particles ON A WAVE and not as waves themselves because waves are mathematical objects and not physical ones.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:What is the maximum distance between the electron and nucleus in order that the atom does exist beyond which the atom doesn't exist any more?

There is simply no such question in physics and if you don't believe me join a physics forum and ask a physicist. The notion of a "distance" between an electron and its nucleus is simply not a valid construct.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Just a bunch of the usual garbage from you, as I expected. There are philosophical implications to my question, ...

Then state them you nitwit.

You get your internet terms confused but thats no surprise as you are just a reflective sponge. So not spam as, unlike you, I post no links that earn the sites points and revenue and not even a troll as, one, I'm not doing this to be inflammatory but to question your thoughts and behaviour and, two, to point out that what you are doing is not Philosophy of Science nor even Philosophy by and large.

You're also implying that there are no people knowledgeable enough to answer my questions which is pathetic of you.

No, there well may be some here who have an answer to this but my point is that there would definitely be ones who could upon a Physics forum, so it's apparent that it's not answers you require but attention.

I will put you on ignore since you have nothing to contribute to this thread.

PhilX

Why oh why do interweebles like yourself insist upon telling the joyful recipient of such news such news? Are you truly so egotistical as to think this a punishment? On top of that I've yet to meet the bearer of such happy news who can keep to their promise, as they are just too vain and weak-willed.

It doesn't.

Melchior wrote:It doesn't.

If you regard the nucleus/electron pair as always part of an atom, you're right. Can you answer how far can an electron stray away from the nucleus?

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Melchior wrote:It doesn't.

If you regard the nucleus/electron pair as always part of an atom, you're right. Can you answer how far can an electron stray away from the nucleus?

PhilX

They have different distances that are fixed for the most part. Take a class on chemistry.

Melchior wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Melchior wrote:It doesn't.

If you regard the nucleus/electron pair as always part of an atom, you're right. Can you answer how far can an electron stray away from the nucleus?

PhilX

They have different distances that are fixed for the most part. Take a class on chemistry.

Avoiding the question. It''s already known the electron spends most of its time in well-defined orbits about the nucleus. I've already taken my chemistry courses. If you don't know the answer, then either say so or stay silent. Again the same question: how far can the electron stray from the nucleus and still be considered part of that atom?

PhilX