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Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.
God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/ ... -baby.html

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

No, but the Aztecs did. Justification is all in one's choice of gods.

Skip wrote:No, but the Aztecs did. Justification is all in one's choice of gods.

Are you saying that Christians choose their God partly because he tortures and kills babies?

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DL

Not specifically. The OT Hebrews had a thing for animal sacrifice and penile mutilation. They gave up human sacrifice with Cain and Abel - that's why Abraham got to keep his boy - but were not too civilized to kill off the children of their enemies, or of anyone their god disapproved, en masse, should the narrative require. Christianity started with that very same narrative: Herod killing off all the boy babies in Bethlehem, to prevent a prophesied king. There was almost certainly no such massacre, but the tradition is served. The story ends with the sacrifice of a man-god, harking back to Egypt and Minos. Blood-thirsty gods require periodic slaking. Hence the succession of Christian martyrs and heretics.

People who have their babies circumcised obviously think torturing babies is justified.

Skip wrote:Not specifically. The OT Hebrews had a thing for animal sacrifice and penile mutilation. They gave up human sacrifice with Cain and Abel - that's why Abraham got to keep his boy - but were not too civilized to kill off the children of their enemies, or of anyone their god disapproved, en masse, should the narrative require. Christianity started with that very same narrative: Herod killing off all the boy babies in Bethlehem, to prevent a prophesied king. There was almost certainly no such massacre, but the tradition is served. The story ends with the sacrifice of a man-god, harking back to Egypt and Minos. Blood-thirsty gods require periodic slaking. Hence the succession of Christian martyrs and heretics.

Understood. Thanks.

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DL

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:People who have their babies circumcised obviously think torturing babies is justified.

I had my first son circumcised and do not think babies should be tortured.

I was young and following culture and fashion but when seeing the non-painful procedure produce pain, I swore never to inflict that on my next children.

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DL

Greatest I am wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:People who have their babies circumcised obviously think torturing babies is justified.

I had my first son circumcised and do not think babies should be tortured.

I was young and following culture and fashion but when seeing the non-painful procedure produce pain, I swore never to inflict that on my next children.

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DL

You've created the setting for pain already. Accept your complicity, and don't swear. Because your next child will also experience pain, and your just going to break your word in bringing it forth to experience pain.

Whilst I'm here, what the fuck is the difference between torturing a child or an adult? You're still torturing a conscious being, an adult being more so, if nothing else. Do you want to set an age of majority for those being tortured? How about 18. Is that a reasonable cut off?

Anyways, this malignantly useless species has justified torture of children in the past. And will continue to do so. What a bunch of lovely turds humans are.

Btw, babies are barely conscious. And their conscious fear is less than an adult's. So it's worse to torture a human who can ponder his fate during torture.

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My wife and I are too old for kids. Grandkids only please.

As to torture and age, I am not interested in such a debate but torture is usually for information. Babies have none to give.

I would prefer to stick to the context of the O.P. but will agree that we all hurt our children one way or another whether it is with intent or not.

Regards
DL

I think, as regards torturing adults and babies, the assumption is that an adult might have done something, or made some deliberate choice wherein he was aware of a risk, while a baby cannot possibly guilty of anything or choose its fate. It's a thin straw, but it might float.
Of course, the logic dictates that a twelve-year-old is less wrong to hurt than a six-year-old, which is less wrong to hurt than a one-year-old, even though the older children probably aren't guilty of very much and suffer more psychological pain. They're all getting tossed off the tower right after, so there is no lasting harm.

On the other side, gods are presumed to be fondest of the sacrifice most prized by the donor, which is likely to be a nubile virgin or young warrior, but they also like fresh, tender, milk-fed meat.
(No rain. Keep trying.)

Greatest I am wrote:Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.
God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/ ... -baby.html

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

Yes of course it is justified, as you have demonstrated. I think you really meant to ask "could it ever be justifiable?". To which I would answer never.
But i've seen that tv program, and support the atheist position.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:[

quote="Greatest I am"]Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.
God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/ ... -baby.html

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

Yes of course it is justified, as you have demonstrated.

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Where exactly did I do that for the scenario in the O.P.?

I think you really meant to ask "could it ever be justifiable?". To which I would answer never.
But i've seen that tv program, and support the atheist position.

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What atheist position? Those Jews took no such position.

Regards
DL

Skip wrote:I think, as regards torturing adults and babies, the assumption is that an adult might have done something, or made some deliberate choice wherein he was aware of a risk, while a baby cannot possibly guilty of anything

Thanks for this.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:[

quote="Greatest I am"]Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Have you seen this rather well done movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.
God also killed many innocent babies in his great flood as well as the innocent first born of Egypt.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/ ... -baby.html

Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

Regards
DL

Yes of course it is justified, as you have demonstrated.

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Where exactly did I do that for the scenario in the O.P.?

I think you really meant to ask "could it ever be justifiable?". To which I would answer never.
But i've seen that tv program, and support the atheist position.

What atheist position? Those Jews took no such position.

Regards
DL[/quote]

Please acknowledge the DIFFERENCE between 'justified' and "justifiable".
Any moron can justify any amount of evil; that does not make it justifiable.