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You'll find that all but the stupidist criminals will decline to show up for trial (half of them don't as it is).bobevenson wrote:The 8th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that excessive bail shall not be required. Well, my friends, that needs to be changed to no bail shall be required since bail of any kind is discrimination against the poor!
That's a different issue altogether, and in case you've forgotten, a person is not a criminal until he has been convicted by a jury of his peers in a court of law!Wyman wrote:You'll find that all but the stupidest criminals will decline to show up for trial (half of them don't as it is).
If you think about it, they are completely intertwined issues. I said the criminals will not show up for court. The innocent will show up without bail.bobevenson wrote:That's a different issue altogether, and in case you've forgotten, a person is not a criminal until he has been convicted by a jury of his peers in a court of law!Wyman wrote:You'll find that all but the stupidest criminals will decline to show up for trial (half of them don't as it is).
Wyman wrote:If you think about it, they are completely intertwined issues. I said the criminals will not show up for court. The innocent will show up without bail.bobevenson wrote:That's a different issue altogether, and in case you've forgotten, a person is not a criminal until he has been convicted by a jury of his peers in a court of law!Wyman wrote:You'll find that all but the stupidest criminals will decline to show up for trial (half of them don't as it is).
What is your point? My point is that an innocent poor person who hasn't been convicted of any crime can't get out of jail prior to a trial!Wyman wrote:I said the criminals will not show up for court. The innocent will show up without bail.
There is no incentive to come to court if you think you'll get locked up. How do you propose to ensure a defendant's appearance in court?bobevenson wrote:What is your point? My point is that an innocent poor person who hasn't been convicted of any crime can't get out of jail prior to a trial!Wyman wrote:I said the criminals will not show up for court. The innocent will show up without bail.
That's not my problem, your problem or the government's problem. Denying bail is convicting somebody for a possible crime (not showing up for trial) before it even happens!Wyman wrote:There is no incentive to come to court if you think you'll get locked up. How do you propose to ensure a defendant's appearance in court?
You get the money back when you show up; so you are not being convicted of anything. Ability to pay as well as the serious of the alleged crime and strength of the evidence are taken into account when setting bond (you don't want to let the crazy mass murderer who was caught red-handed out pending trial) You don't really know anything about bail, do you? Just admit it.bobevenson wrote:That's not my problem, your problem or the government's problem. Denying bail is convicting somebody for a possible crime (not showing up for trial) before it even happens!Wyman wrote:There is no incentive to come to court if you think you'll get locked up. How do you propose to ensure a defendant's appearance in court?
What if you don't have any money, you goddamn idiot?Wyman wrote:You get the money back when you show up.
There are several options. An unsecured bond is one where no money needs to be put up, but if you don't show, then you are liable for the set amount. There are signature bonds which are like the above, but you can't be released unless someone else signs for you - sometimes as a co-guarantorbobevenson wrote:What if you don't have any money, you goddamn idiot?Wyman wrote:You get the money back when you show up.
That's a bunch of crap! There are thousands upon thousands of people sitting in jail because they can't make bail, and it's our rotten, filthy, godforsaken government lawmakers who are responsible for this outrageous state of affairs, and who would be behind bars themselves under an AEP regime!Wyman wrote:There are several options. An unsecured bond is one where no money needs to be put up, but if you don't show, then you are liable for the set amount. There are signature bonds which are like the above, but you can't be released unless someone else signs for you - sometimes as a co-guarantorbobevenson wrote:What if you don't have any money, you goddamn idiot.Wyman wrote:You get the money back when you show up.
and sometimes not. For minor crimes, people are usually released on their own recognizance until they don't show up - then bail is set. Some surety companies post the bond under an agreement where the defendant makes monthly payments to them, with very little to nothing up front.