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Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:07 am
by Philosophy Explorer
This article says no. Do you agree?:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/bits/20 ... ?referrer=

PhilX

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:55 am
by David Handeye
Why do you always post these useless articles? Do you have a point of your own, don't you? Do you have an opinion of your own, don't you? Do you have an argument of your own, regardless of all these boring articles you always report, don't you?

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:22 pm
by Skip
What is a labour market?

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:49 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Skip wrote:What is a labour market?
Here's a definition:

http://www.businessdictionary.com/defin ... arket.html

PhilX

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:54 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
David Handeye wrote:Why do you always post these useless articles? Do you have a point of your own, don't you? Do you have an opinion of your own, don't you? Do you have an argument of your own, regardless of all these boring articles you always report, don't you?
Boring to whom? It makes me wonder why you bothered to respond in this manner since the topic title tells you what it's about. Why didn't you put me on your ignore list?

And maybe I'm sitting on the fence with this one.

PhilX

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:25 pm
by Skip
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Skip wrote:What is a labour market?
Here's a definition:

http://www.businessdictionary.com/defin ... arket.html

PhilX
No, I didn't ask what bsness has to say, which is: a market where labour is bought and sold - i.e. a labour market. Not all that informative.


But you asked whether automation will destroy "the" labour market. So I'm asking: what is the structure that may be destroyed?

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:31 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Skip wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Skip wrote:What is a labour market?
Here's a definition:

http://www.businessdictionary.com/defin ... arket.html

PhilX
No, I didn't ask what bsness has to say, which is: a market where labour is bought and sold - i.e. a labour market. Not all that informative.


But you asked whether automation will destroy "the" labour market. So I'm asking: what is the structure that may be destroyed?
Jobs for people.

PhilX

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:06 pm
by David Handeye
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
David Handeye wrote:Why do you always post these useless articles? Do you have a point of your own, don't you? Do you have an opinion of your own, don't you? Do you have an argument of your own, regardless of all these boring articles you always report, don't you?
Boring to whom? It makes me wonder why you bothered to respond in this manner since the topic title tells you what it's about. Why didn't you put me on your ignore list?

And maybe I'm sitting on the fence with this one.

PhilX
On my ignore list? Are you joking? I will never. You're too clever for not having an idea of yours on labor and automation, and I'm too lazy to read the article.

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:10 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
David Handeye wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
David Handeye wrote:Why do you always post these useless articles? Do you have a point of your own, don't you? Do you have an opinion of your own, don't you? Do you have an argument of your own, regardless of all these boring articles you always report, don't you?
Boring to whom? It makes me wonder why you bothered to respond in this manner since the topic title tells you what it's about. Why didn't you put me on your ignore list?

And maybe I'm sitting on the fence with this one.

PhilX
On my ignore list? Are you joking? I will never. You're too clever for not having an idea of yours on labor and automation, and I'm too lazy to read the article.
Here's another article you won't bother to read:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015 ... f9721299=1

PhilX

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:15 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
I'm aware , starting with the Industrial Revolution, that jobs were both created and destroyed due to progress. So I'm really asking whether automation/robotics can only destroy jobs?

PhilX

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:41 pm
by Skip
Philosophy Explorer wrote: Skip: I'm asking: what is the structure that may be destroyed?

Jobs for people.

PhilX
That's not a structure, but okay. Is it bad if people don't have to sell themselves on a buyer's market? For whom is that bad? Why is it bad? What happens next? How does the economy change? How does society change?

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:17 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Just came across this article that says yes, it can happen:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-robo ... obs-2015-6

PhilX

Re: Will automation destroy the labor market?

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:33 pm
by Skip
Philosophy Explorer wrote:I'm aware , starting with the Industrial Revolution, that jobs were both created and destroyed due to progress. So I'm really asking whether automation/robotics can only destroy jobs?

PhilX
Of course. The ideal situation is where nobody has to have a job. Where nobody needs to damage and endanger their body in a mine or on a skyscraper; nobody inhales poison or cuts off their fingers in a factory; nobody slogs in mud or trudges in heat; nobody does the same boring, repetitive drudgery day after day; nobody is beholden, debased or exploited. We all do creative, fulfilling work of our own choosing; grow and cook food, teach algebra, care for the sick, build ingenious homes, train horses; play musical instruments, sports and board games; socialize and study.

Technology is doing exactly what it should. Capital isn't.