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As long as it doesn't make any black holes:

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PhilX

In other words we can all ride on the gravy train for many more years, sucking the science budget out of several nations in the grip of so-called austerity.

It does not matter the homelessness is undergoing a meteoric rise in several European countries, just as long as the CERN guys are burning mega bucks on pretty pictures.

According to physicists it's almost impossible but even if it did it would dematerialize almost immediately.

What's more worrisome for the planet are all the BH's existing in some people's brains especially the ones who have the power but continue to run on empty.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:In other words we can all ride on the gravy train for many more years, sucking the science budget out of several nations in the grip of so-called austerity.

It does not matter the homelessness is undergoing a meteoric rise in several European countries, just as long as the CERN guys are burning mega bucks on pretty pictures.

How about all the money spent on artwork?

PhilX

Hobbes' Choice wrote:In other words we can all ride on the gravy train for many more years, sucking the science budget out of several nations in the grip of so-called austerity.

It does not matter the homelessness is undergoing a meteoric rise in several European countries, just as long as the CERN guys are burning mega bucks on pretty pictures.

Yeah, I really don't give a crap about CERN. Nothing will come of it in my lifetime that will make a difference to me.

"The LHC, a 27 km (17 mile) underground complex near Geneva, will smash protons at 13 tera-electron-volts (TeV), almost twice the energy achieved in an initial three-year run that began in 2010. This proved the existence of the elusive Higgs boson particle, a discovery that produced two Nobel prizes in 2013."

See what it produced? Two Nobel prizes. Not world peace. Not the end to.world hunger, or war. It produced two cookies for the scientists. Whoopee shit.

Dalek Prime wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:In other words we can all ride on the gravy train for many more years, sucking the science budget out of several nations in the grip of so-called austerity.

It does not matter the homelessness is undergoing a meteoric rise in several European countries, just as long as the CERN guys are burning mega bucks on pretty pictures.

Yeah, I really don't give a crap about CERN. Nothing will come of it in my lifetime that will make a difference to me.

Since our countries are nonmembers, then it's not much concern to me either.

However let me say this from a historical perspective. CERN is important in this way:

"CERN is also the place the World Wide Web was first implemented." I also know that Tang and the microwave were due to NASA (yeah I know, big deal). When you have so much money involved in these projects, they can lead to spinoffs. Aside from the money, I like to know a few things about the neighborhood I live in.

So do you have any science interest and curiosity?

PhilX

The concept of markup languages existed long before the web (GML, SGML) And it was created through that, and many other technologies not from CERN. We all stand on the achievements of others.

Do I have any interest in science? Yes, I spent weekends as a kid at the Ontario Research Foundation with my much older brother-in-law, a dual physicist and biochemist. He gave me a deep appreciation for science. I still think how cool it was when the first blue led was invented. But I also know the egos involved, having seen them up close.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:In other words we can all ride on the gravy train for many more years, sucking the science budget out of several nations in the grip of so-called austerity.

It does not matter the homelessness is undergoing a meteoric rise in several European countries, just as long as the CERN guys are burning mega bucks on pretty pictures.

How about all the money spent on artwork?

PhilX

It's a self funding market. Not a license to burn money for nothing.

Dalek Prime wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:In other words we can all ride on the gravy train for many more years, sucking the science budget out of several nations in the grip of so-called austerity.

It does not matter the homelessness is undergoing a meteoric rise in several European countries, just as long as the CERN guys are burning mega bucks on pretty pictures.

Yeah, I really don't give a crap about CERN. Nothing will come of it in my lifetime that will make a difference to me.

Nothing will ever come of it.
They are investigating an area of physics that is not in the human realm. No one is even pretending that anything useful will come of it. What they have is a model of a model, of a model. There is nothing to say that what they are looking at is anything more than artistic invention.

The discoveries made by CERN mean nothing...they mean everything.

Ginkgo wrote:The discoveries made by CERN mean nothing...they mean everything.

Rubbish. They are self justifying model making schemes creating a series of increasingly complex shibboleths, that mean nothing in practical terms.
You don't get to understand the Mona Lisa through the composition of its atoms. CERN is way past that; inventing particles to "explain" more and more absurd abstractions. As these particles, that they imagine exist, are beyond independent verification and so they remain inventive speculations.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:The discoveries made by CERN mean nothing...they mean everything.

Rubbish. They are self justifying model making schemes creating a series of increasingly complex shibboleths, that mean nothing in practical terms.
You don't get to understand the Mona Lisa through the composition of its atoms. CERN is way past that; inventing particles to "explain" more and more absurd abstractions. As these particles, that they imagine exist, are beyond independent verification and so they remain inventive speculations.

Of course, in materialistic terms it means nothing, in metaphysical terms it means everything.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:The discoveries made by CERN mean nothing...they mean everything.

Rubbish. They are self justifying model making schemes creating a series of increasingly complex shibboleths, that mean nothing in practical terms.
You don't get to understand the Mona Lisa through the composition of its atoms. CERN is way past that; inventing particles to "explain" more and more absurd abstractions. As these particles, that they imagine exist, are beyond independent verification and so they remain inventive speculations.

Welcome to the wrong side of history.

Ginkgo wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:The discoveries made by CERN mean nothing...they mean everything.

Rubbish. They are self justifying model making schemes creating a series of increasingly complex shibboleths, that mean nothing in practical terms.
You don't get to understand the Mona Lisa through the composition of its atoms. CERN is way past that; inventing particles to "explain" more and more absurd abstractions. As these particles, that they imagine exist, are beyond independent verification and so they remain inventive speculations.

Of course, in materialistic terms it means nothing, in metaphysical terms it means everything.

It means as much as astrology ever did.