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Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:26 pm
by Ned
We weren't always vegetarians. I was eating meat till my mid thirties and I have to admit, I was a real ‘carnivore’. I just loved meat, in any form, shape -- I loved the taste, the texture, even the smell of our favorite Hungarian Goulash and "paprikas porkolt".

Then I learned about the unspeakable cruelty to animals in the chicken factories, factory farms, abattoirs, food processing plants, fishing industry, etc.

See link to PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) at: http://www.peta.org/issues

That was just before we moved from Toronto out to our 50 acres in the country, so I suggested to my wife that we raise our own animals for food, in decent, free-ranging environment, without the cruelty associated with commercial meat products.

I asked: "Where do I build the chicken coup?"
She said: "No chicken coup -- I won't eat any living thing I know personally".
I said: "This is hypocrisy -- you let others do your dirty work for you?"
She said: "You are right"
I said: "Then we should not eat meat".
She said: "Fine".
I said: "Fine".

That day we stopped eating meat. That was fourty years ago.

We are not Vegans, we eat milk products and eggs. Our rule is simple: we don't eat anything that visibly objects to being eaten.

This is not a religious (god forbid!) attitude -- it is only an ethical decision, combined with our soft-hearted love of animals, coupled with some logic for the sake of consistency and integrity.

After that day we discovered vegetarian cook books and the countless recipes that are enjoyable, nutritious, even exciting and adventurous. We eat a lot more interestingly than we used to when we were carnivores.

I know that we evolved as omnivores.

Being omnivores implies a choice -- a choice that true carnivores like lions and wolves don't have.

We do.

One of the most frequently heard arguments against vegetarianism is "It is the natural thing to eat meat!".

We find that argument funny: Our entire history, as a human species, was spent fighting against natural things. Like dying of an infection, living in caves, freezing on cold nights, having to roam with the prey animals, hunting and gathering as we used to before agriculture was invented.

We evolved, with our science and technology, creating as unnatural an environment in our big cities as it gets.

There is room for further evolution.

Our science and technology makes it possible today to synthesize meat, in taste almost indistinguishable from what is gained from torturing and killing animals. It could be done on an industrial scale a lot cheaper than what producing meat costs today, if all the costs are considered.

And it would end the unspeakable cruelty we all participate in, as long as we eat meat produced by the meat industry.

Even now you can buy meat-tasting products (bacon, salami, chicken, etc) made from soy beans and I eat a lot of those because I like the taste.

So, there is room for evolving to our full potential as a scientific, technological civilization that does not need the barbaric, inefficient, wasteful survival skills of our primitive past.

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:38 pm
by Melchior
Another vegetarian moron. If you want to be nutritionally deficient, go ahead! Otherwise, Blow it out your ass! What makes you think you're so fucking superior! You won't admit that you're dead wrong!

http://chriskresser.com/why-you-should- ... gan-diets/

So, read that and then shut the fuck up! Why do people refuse to use science, and instead turn to emotional appeals? It's because they're fucking morons!

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:42 pm
by Ned
Classy reply!!!

I am impressed!

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:44 pm
by Melchior
Ned wrote:Classy reply!!!

I am impressed!
I'm sick and tired of people like you! Don't preach your ignorance here!

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:45 pm
by Ned
More highly 'intelligent', informed and balanced reply!!!

Any more? :lol:

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:24 pm
by Melchior
Ned wrote:More highly 'intelligent', informed and balanced reply!!!

Any more? :lol:

Your arguments are false. You don't understand evolution at all. Your twisted logic is amusing.

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:29 pm
by Ned
You are making a mistake my friend. Profanity, name calling, obscene pictures will not convince your readers. It will do rather the opposite.

They will think if silly people like you are against it, it must be worth investigating the options.

Not everybody is indifferent (even proud as you seems to be) to the suffering and inhumanity we all contribute to by eating meat.

You called me a liar when I said I was at the peak of health after 42 years of being a vegetarian. You did that without any evidence.

I am sorry for you and for your scared little soul! :)

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:31 pm
by Melchior
Ned wrote:You are making a mistake my friend. Profanity, name calling, obscene pictures will not convince your readers. It will do rather the opposite.

They will think if silly people like you are against it, it must be worth investigating the options.

Not everybody is indifferent (even proud as you seems to be) to the suffering and inhumanity we all contribute to by eating meat.

You called me a liar when I said I was at the peak of health after 42 years of being a vegetarian. You did that without any evidence.

I am sorry for you and for your scared little soul! :)
Obscene pictures? You just don't understand nature, bubba. You're a demented fuck-faced moron twit.

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:33 pm
by Melchior

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:34 pm
by Ned
With a classy, highly educated and sensitive person, as you are, I have to share this eloquent and penetrating analysis of vegetarianism.

I am sure that a person like you just LOVES poetry! :o

Vegetarians

We are the pariahs of this flesh-eating world:
hated, resented, ridiculed, reviled,
our very existence a threat
of maybe losing a steak or a bacon…
…the non-negotiable staple
of unimaginative minds.

They all know where meat comes from:
the barbaric cruelty of factory farms,
abattoirs, chicken-horror-chambers,
processing plants,
industrial fishing,
special torture for baby animals:
goats, lambs, calves.

Oh, they love their science, technology:
computers and iPhones,
jet planes, boats, modern medicine,
but when it comes to their
most fundamental need: food
they insist on cruel, barbaric methods of the past.

The technology is there,
we can synthesize meat
in modern factories,
cheaper, cleaner,
without killing, cruelty, suffering
for living beings:
our animal friends,
we treat them as inanimate garbage
until we devour them
in fake-carnivore style.

Children love animals,
get misty eyed over kittens,
puppies, baby goats, little lambs,
not told what we do to them
where their burgers come from:
"Eat it dear, it comes from
your friendly neighborhood Mart"

They say:
it’s the natural way,
forgetting that we are unnatural
in every other way:
we fight nature
with science, technology…
…not in nature but in cities
we stay.

We are the flesh-eating disease
of this animal world,
not clean, innocent
as true carnivores are
who don’t have a choice…
…we, who evolved
with science, technology,
left our brains behind
when it comes to
humane philosophy.

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:39 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
Melchior wrote:Another vegetarian moron. If you want to be nutritionally deficient, go ahead! Otherwise, Blow it out your ass! What makes you think you're so fucking superior! You won't admit that you're dead wrong!

http://chriskresser.com/why-you-should- ... gan-diets/

So, read that and then shut the fuck up! Why do people refuse to use science, and instead turn to emotional appeals? It's because they're fucking morons!
What's it to you if he's a vegetarian? Do you own a chicken factory or something? Some people abhor wanton cruelty. You are obviously a shallow and not very bright person. Not everyone is like that.

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:52 pm
by Melchior
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Melchior wrote:Another vegetarian moron. If you want to be nutritionally deficient, go ahead! Otherwise, Blow it out your ass! What makes you think you're so fucking superior! You won't admit that you're dead wrong!

http://chriskresser.com/why-you-should- ... gan-diets/

So, read that and then shut the fuck up! Why do people refuse to use science, and instead turn to emotional appeals? It's because they're fucking morons!
What's it to you if he's a vegetarian? Do you own a chicken factory or something? Some people abhor wanton cruelty. You are obviously a shallow and not very bright person. Not everyone is like that.
It's not 'cruelty'. That's the lie, and that's what offends me. These are food animals, which are bred to be eaten. What I find offensive is not that vegetarians don't eat meat, it's the bad arguments, ignorance, and stupidity that they offer as justification. If they just said 'I don't eat meat' I would be fine, but that's not what they do.

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 10:58 pm
by Ned
Spend a day in a chicken factory, with your beak cut off, constrained in a tiny space so you can hardly move, and see how you would enjoy being a food animal.

Have you ever had a pet? Would you have kept your dog or cat like that?

If not, why not?

What's the difference between one living thing (a pet) and another (a food animal)?

They are both alive, they both feel fear and pain exactly in the same way.

Think about it -- maybe not too late for you?

Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:05 pm
by Ned
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Re: Why I became a vegetarian...

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 11:10 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
Melchior wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Melchior wrote:Another vegetarian moron. If you want to be nutritionally deficient, go ahead! Otherwise, Blow it out your ass! What makes you think you're so fucking superior! You won't admit that you're dead wrong!

http://chriskresser.com/why-you-should- ... gan-diets/

So, read that and then shut the fuck up! Why do people refuse to use science, and instead turn to emotional appeals? It's because they're fucking morons!
What's it to you if he's a vegetarian? Do you own a chicken factory or something? Some people abhor wanton cruelty. You are obviously a shallow and not very bright person. Not everyone is like that.
It's not 'cruelty'. That's the lie, and that's what offends me. These are food animals, which are bred to be eaten. What I find offensive is not that vegetarians don't eat meat, it's the bad arguments, ignorance, and stupidity that they offer as justification. If they just said 'I don't eat meat' I would be fine, but that's not what they do.
Being 'bred for food' doesn't render them machines without feelings. I also think you are referring to self-righteous 'faux vegetarians', the ones who claim to be 'vegetarian' but still eat fish and chicken (and secretly probably every other kind of meat), and talk about it all the time. I have a cousin who became a vegetarian at the age of five, as soon as he discovered what meat was. Nothing would induce him to eat it. He's pretty much only lived on nuts ever since. He never mentions it to anyone. He's also a genius.