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Economic philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:18 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Does economic philosophy make sense to you?

I prefer to explore economics on its own terms rather than as a part of political philosophy. There's all sorts of topics that can be explored (e.g. trickle-down theory). I know that Von Mises is a big name along with Adam Smith, Karl Marx and others in this field.

What do you think?

PhilX

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:26 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Philosophy Explorer wrote:Does economic philosophy make sense to you?

I prefer to explore economics on its own terms rather than as a part of political philosophy. There's all sorts of topics that can be explored (e.g. trickle-down theory). I know that Von Mises is a big name along with Adam Smith, Karl Marx and others in this field.

What do you think?

PhilX
This comment betrays your misunderstanding of philosophy.
Economics in it's own terms is philosophy.
Right back to Hesiod philosophy has included thoughts on how money and wealth works, and what are its consequences and implications. Even the word is borrowed from ancient Greece.

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:43 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:Does economic philosophy make sense to you?

I prefer to explore economics on its own terms rather than as a part of political philosophy. There's all sorts of topics that can be explored (e.g. trickle-down theory). I know that Von Mises is a big name along with Adam Smith, Karl Marx and others in this field.

What do you think?

PhilX
This comment betrays your misunderstanding of philosophy.
Economics in it's own terms is philosophy.
Right back to Hesiod philosophy has included thoughts on how money and wealth works, and what are its consequences and implications. Even the word is borrowed from ancient Greece.
Any idea as to why forums tend to ignore this subject whereby if it comes up, it would come under political philosophy (or maybe general philosophy) instead of the philosophy of economics?

PhilX

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:54 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote:Does economic philosophy make sense to you?

I prefer to explore economics on its own terms rather than as a part of political philosophy. There's all sorts of topics that can be explored (e.g. trickle-down theory). I know that Von Mises is a big name along with Adam Smith, Karl Marx and others in this field.

What do you think?

PhilX
This comment betrays your misunderstanding of philosophy.
Economics in it's own terms is philosophy.
Right back to Hesiod philosophy has included thoughts on how money and wealth works, and what are its consequences and implications. Even the word is borrowed from ancient Greece.
Any idea as to why forums tend to ignore this subject whereby if it comes up, it would come under political philosophy (or maybe general philosophy) instead of the philosophy of economics?

PhilX
I do do not recognise your perception.

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:35 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
Quoting Hobbes' Choice:

"I do do not recognise your perception."

I presume you mean you find it hard to understand my perception.

Economics affects everybody directly whether it be say unemployment, prices, salary, etc. (as an aside I just saw the price of gas jump 20 cents at my car's local watering hole).

I think nobody can debate the importance of economics.
Often at websites though, when it comes up, it's under political philosophy because government makes laws that relate to economics (whether they actually do is another story) so on this important subject, I'd rather see
discussion without the politics. That's my explanation.

PhilX

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:57 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Philosophy Explorer wrote:Quoting Hobbes' Choice:

"I do do not recognise your perception."

I presume you mean you find it hard to understand my perception.

Economics affects everybody directly whether it be say unemployment, prices, salary, etc. (as an aside I just saw the price of gas jump 20 cents at my car's local watering hole).

I think nobody can debate the importance of economics.
Often at websites though, when it comes up, it's under political philosophy because government makes laws that relate to economics (whether they actually do is another story) so on this important subject, I'd rather see
discussion without the politics. That's my explanation.

PhilX
Economics is inextricably linked to philosophy. Have you never heard of Xenophon, Vitruvius, Smith, Marx, Mauss, Polanyi, Keynes, etc..

So tell me what would it look like trying to discuss economics without reference to politics? It would be like discussing morals without people: ridiculous.

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:40 pm
by spike
Economics is inextricably linked to philosophy.
Every discipline is inextricably liked to philosophy. Philosophy is the language and discussion hind all disciplines. Philosophy helps facilitate them. Philosophy is like the bee pollinating.

A lot of intellectuals/philosopher have a disregard for economics. That's because they tend to see the exploitive side of it. They also tend to view it as incidental and trivial. They don't appreciate the fact that economics has done more to shape and develop society than any human activity. And without the work and income that economics provides there is little else in life that's possible. Moreover, without its good planning societies can have a very difficult time of it, with social unrest. I sure the French or Russian revolutions wouldn't have been if good and fair economics has been practices at the time. The Middle East would not be such a shambles if a fair economic life for all had been a guiding principle.

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:23 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
spike wrote:
Economics is inextricably linked to philosophy.
Every discipline is inextricably liked to philosophy.

Knitting is not particularly, neither is body building. Not as much as economics.


Philosophy is the language and discussion hind all disciplines. Philosophy helps facilitate them. Philosophy is like the bee pollinating.

A lot of intellectuals/philosopher have a disregard for economics. That's because they tend to see the exploitive side of it. They also tend to view it as incidental and trivial. They don't appreciate the fact that economics has done more to shape and develop society than any human activity. And without the work and income that economics provides there is little else in life that's possible. Moreover, without its good planning societies can have a very difficult time of it, with social unrest. I sure the French or Russian revolutions wouldn't have been if good and fair economics has been practices at the time.

True, but, the economics they had were justified by philosophy.


The Middle East would not be such a shambles if a fair economic life for all had been a guiding principle.
You might want to tell this to "philosophy explorer"

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:20 pm
by spike
Economics was born to address the imposition and demands of the universal laws of thermodynamics on the human enterprise. Capitalism has emerged the world's premier economic system because it best addresses those laws, especially the second law.

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:58 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
spike wrote:Economics was born to address the imposition and demands of the universal laws of thermodynamics on the human enterprise. Capitalism has emerged the world's premier economic system because it best addresses those laws, especially the second law.
Nope!

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:04 pm
by Philosophy Explorer
spike wrote:Economics was born to address the imposition and demands of the universal laws of thermodynamics on the human enterprise. Capitalism has emerged the world's premier economic system because it best addresses those laws, especially the second law.
Thermodynamics is a branch of physics. Do you have an article that shows this?

PhilX

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:02 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
spike wrote:Economics was born to address the imposition and demands of the universal laws of thermodynamics on the human enterprise. Capitalism has emerged the world's premier economic system because it best addresses those laws, especially the second law.
Thermodynamics is a branch of physics. Do you have an article that shows this?

PhilX
It's ridiculous.
Economic theory predates the laws of thermodynamics by millennia.

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:22 am
by spike
Philosophy Explorer wrote: Thermodynamics is a branch of physics. Do you have an article that shows this?

PhilX
There are many articles that show thermodynamics to be a branch of physics. Check the Internet.

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:31 am
by Philosophy Explorer
spike wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote: Thermodynamics is a branch of physics. Do you have an article that shows this?

PhilX
There are many articles that show thermodynamics to be a branch of physics. Check the Internet.
Not what I meant. This is the part I'm referring to when you said:

"Economics was born to address the imposition and demands of the universal laws of thermodynamics on the human enterprise."

PhilX

Re: Economic philosophy

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:29 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
spike wrote:
Philosophy Explorer wrote: Thermodynamics is a branch of physics. Do you have an article that shows this?

PhilX
There are many articles that show thermodynamics to be a branch of physics. Check the Internet.
Not what I meant. This is the part I'm referring to when you said:

"Economics was born to address the imposition and demands of the universal laws of thermodynamics on the human enterprise."

PhilX
Economics was born to answer questions of value and housekeeping. It has a long history dating back at least as far as Ancient Babylon.
"Thermodynamics" was a phrase not coined until 1854.