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The Gruber Confession

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:35 pm
by tbieter
http://www.twincities.com/columnists/ci ... confession

Fox News programs have extensively covered the deceitful Professor Gruber. NBC. ABC, CNN, CBS and MSNBC, who all support and don't criticize Obama, have all ignored the Gruber videos.

Gruber will not be disciplined by the economics profession or by his university relative to tenure.

And the liberals are silent about Gruber's deceit and the functioning of the democratic aspect of our republic.

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"In November 2014, a series of four videos emerged of Gruber speaking at different events, from 2010 to 2013, about ways he felt the ACA was misleadingly crafted and marketed to get the bill passed; in several of these videos he specifically refers to American voters as ill-informed and "stupid." In the first, most widely-publicized video taken at a panel discussion about the ACA at the University of Pennsylvania in October 2013, Gruber said the bill was deliberately written "in a tortured way" to disguise the fact that it creates a system by which "healthy people pay in and sick people get money." He said this obfuscation was needed due to "the stupidity of the American voter" in ensuring the bill's passage. Gruber said the bill's inherent "lack of transparency is a huge political advantage" in selling it.[23] The comments caused significant controversy.[24][25][26][27][28] In two subsequent videos, Gruber was shown talking about the decision (which he attributed to John Kerry) to have the bill tax insurance companies instead of patients, which he called fundamentally the same thing economically but more palatable politically. In one video, he stated that "the American people are too stupid to understand the difference" between the two approaches, while in the other he said that the switch worked due to "the lack of economic understanding of the American voter."[29] In another video, taken in 2010, Gruber expressed doubts that the ACA would significantly reduce health care costs, though he noted that lowering costs played a major part in the way the bill was promoted.[30]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_G ... troversies

Re: The Gruber Confession

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:33 pm
by Impenitent
the second was written to prevent exactly this kind of tyranny...

1861 could never happen again

-Imp

Re: The Gruber Confession

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:40 am
by The Voice of Time
People are probably so used to the ways of American politics they don't really care.

National party representational system ftw! Away with congress altogether, have parties represented directly at a national-only level. No individual candidates, just parties. That's the best way, you avoid so much turbulous and complicated politics.

And get a better supreme court and constitution while you're at it, so only the really important things are taken into account, and not just random preferences.

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:48 pm
by henry quirk
Gruber's statements are unremarkable.

The attempt by the Right to capitalize on his remarks is unremarkable.

The attempt by the Left to minimize his remarks is unremarkable.

This is a non-story.

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Quirkian proposal for a new Federal Constitution

Article One: Mind your own business.

Article Two: Keep your hands to yourself.

Article Three: If you violate Articles One or Two then you'll get exactly what you deserve.

Re:

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:57 pm
by tbieter
henry quirk wrote:Gruber's statements are unremarkable.

The attempt by the Right to capitalize on his remarks is unremarkable.

The attempt by the Left to minimize his remarks is unremarkable.

This is a non-story.

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Quirkian proposal for a new Federal Constitution

Article One: Mind your own business.

Article Two: Keep your hands to yourself.

Article Three: If you violate Articles One or Two then you'll get exactly what you deserve.
It is easy to be not serious. It is hard to identify and discuss issues involved in a fact situation. :cry:

Re: The Gruber Confession

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:05 pm
by henry quirk
I'm deathly serious in my assessment of the non-story and my constitution proposal.

It's a matter of perspective (literally, where I stand in relation to 'this').

*shrug*

Re: The Gruber Confession

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:32 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
tbieter wrote:http://www.twincities.com/columnists/ci ... confession

Fox News programs have extensively covered the deceitful Professor Gruber. NBC. ABC, CNN, CBS and MSNBC, who all support and don't criticize Obama, have all ignored the Gruber videos.

Gruber will not be disciplined by the economics profession or by his university relative to tenure.

And the liberals are silent about Gruber's deceit and the functioning of the democratic aspect of our republic.

________________
"In November 2014, a series of four videos emerged of Gruber speaking at different events, from 2010 to 2013, about ways he felt the ACA was misleadingly crafted and marketed to get the bill passed; in several of these videos he specifically refers to American voters as ill-informed and "stupid." In the first, most widely-publicized video taken at a panel discussion about the ACA at the University of Pennsylvania in October 2013, Gruber said the bill was deliberately written "in a tortured way" to disguise the fact that it creates a system by which "healthy people pay in and sick people get money." He said this obfuscation was needed due to "the stupidity of the American voter" in ensuring the bill's passage. Gruber said the bill's inherent "lack of transparency is a huge political advantage" in selling it.[23] The comments caused significant controversy.[24][25][26][27][28] In two subsequent videos, Gruber was shown talking about the decision (which he attributed to John Kerry) to have the bill tax insurance companies instead of patients, which he called fundamentally the same thing economically but more palatable politically. In one video, he stated that "the American people are too stupid to understand the difference" between the two approaches, while in the other he said that the switch worked due to "the lack of economic understanding of the American voter."[29] In another video, taken in 2010, Gruber expressed doubts that the ACA would significantly reduce health care costs, though he noted that lowering costs played a major part in the way the bill was promoted.[30]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_G ... troversies
As a supposedly educated man, a professor no less, it would seem that Gruber has instead shown himself as 'stupid,' as it is more logical that the people he refers to as stupid, are rather, ignorant. Or is he rather, ignorant as to that which his higher education in economics has afforded him, relative to those without such.

As for the rest of it, selfishness does in fact abound, the crux of this particular argument.