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My answer would be yes because the Bible said He created the universe so where was He when He created the universe? Some will deny God can do this because the universe means everything so you decide.

PhilX

Philosophy Explorer wrote:My answer would be yes because the Bible said He created the universe so where was He when He created the universe? Some will deny God can do this because the universe means everything so you decide.

PhilX

I don't know, can Santa leave the North Pole?

Wyman wrote:I don't know, can Santa leave the North Pole?

He does every Xmas, doesn't he?

bobevenson wrote:

Wyman wrote:I don't know, can Santa leave the North Pole?

He does every Xmas, doesn't he?

According to my 5 year old, yes; according to my 7 year old, no.

Yes, and he intends to, just as soon as we let go of him.

Alternatively, he may decide to die. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2185 ... ng_Jehovah

Philosophy Explorer wrote:My answer would be yes because the Bible said He created the universe so where was He when He created the universe? Some will deny God can do this because the universe means everything so you decide.

PhilX

What you have is a version of the cosmological argument, or first cause argument. This is the main argument for the existence of God.

The answer to your question would be that God's location is outside of time and space. Critics would of course say this idea is nonsense. There is no location prior to there being time and space.

In the interests of fairness I would point out there are counter arguments.

Wyman wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:My answer would be yes because the Bible said He created the universe so where was He when He created the universe? Some will deny God can do this because the universe means everything so you decide.

PhilX

I don't know, can Santa leave the North Pole?

Santa lives in the arctic circle, but as in fact anyone would know with half an idea of Santology, he lives in Llapland. Suffice to say he can go wherever he wants and deliver presents to all good Christian children all over the world. Seriously you people should read up on Santa. It's annoying to have to correct such basic lore on the one we call Santa. I am not an apologist for Santa, but sometimes you guys make me feel like one. Get on the bus, or stroll on.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:My answer would be yes because the Bible said He created the universe so where was He when He created the universe? Some will deny God can do this because the universe means everything so you decide.

PhilX

God is outside of the universe, he created it. God can do whatever he likes too, as he is omnipotent. If God wills it, it is.

What's this 'God' you talk about?

Arising_uk wrote:What's this 'God' you talk about?

Ah you got me there. I was on solid ground with Santa, aka Saint Nicholas, a Greek Bishop, he was based on who actually lived; but when it comes to God, I am just making it up as I go along, as most religionists do.

Could God create a rock he could not lift or a microwave pizza that was so hot he could not eat. The answer is of course yes, but then religion is an odd fish. Could he create a fish he could not catch..?

God can do whatever he likes with no regard to logic or reason, cause he's God.

Hence Christian apologetics: trying to explain the impossible to those who have found reason, by slight of hand.

god is making the universe right now.nonlocality upholds locality.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:My answer would be yes because the Bible said He created the universe so where was He when He created the universe? Some will deny God can do this because the universe means everything so you decide.

PhilX

The Universe is every thing, but God is not bound by the world of things God existed before things so God must be able to leave the Universe, as we know it.

Wyman wrote:I don't know, can Santa leave the North Pole?

False equivalence.

jackles wrote:god is making the universe right now.nonlocality upholds locality.

So's your mum ironically, false equivalence is kinda odd.

thedoc wrote:

The Universe is every thing, but God is not bound by the world of things God existed before things so God must be able to leave the Universe, as we know it.

Sadly so is man capable of leaving all that is real by leaving the universe. By definition only a perfect being who created it can, but that "God" is Loki. the God of trickery and of Chaos. he taught men well I think.