Philosophy Now Forum

sjeff70 wrote:I'd been curious about math for its philosophical appeal
for some time and was finally drawn in after being directed to Euclid's
excellent text 'Elements'.
I understand math to be pure logic which to me is exercise.
It's distracting for me, I wanted to get into linear algebra and see where
I could go with it. I realized how much I'd forgotten from high school/college
and that there's a big difference between just memorizing equations, proofs, etc.
to get to the next level and really understanding the logic of math.

For me I don't see math as (a) religion.
I can't see god in math, mostly because it's a solitary observation.

jackles wrote:yeah maths is a link between the local and the nonlocal.
the nonlocal being consciousness and the local being the brain of any observe
.and that includes dogs.ha ha

jackles wrote:like the picture and got the message from it.
geese are love conscious.ha

LOS ANGELES--A surprising new study released Monday by UCLA's Institute For Child Development revealed that human babies, long thought by psychologists to be highly inquisitive and adaptable, are actually extraordinarily stupid.

The study, an 18-month battery of intelligence tests administered to over 3,500 babies, concluded categorically that babies are "so stupid, it's not even funny."

According to Institute president Molly Bentley, in an effort to determine infant survival instincts when attacked, the babies were prodded in an aggressive manner with a broken broom handle. Over 90 percent of them, when poked, failed to make even rudimentary attempts to defend themselves. The remaining 10 percent responded by vacating their bowels.

"It is unlikely that the presence of the babies' fecal matter, however foul-smelling, would have a measurable defensive effect against an attacker in a real-world situation," Bentley said.

Another test, in which the infants were placed on a mound of dirt outdoors during a torrential downpour, produced similarly bleak results.

"The chicken, dog and even worm babies that we submitted to the test as a control group all had enough sense to come in from the rain or, at least, seek shelter under a leafy clump of vegetation or outcropping of rock," test supervisor Thomas Howell said. "The human babies, on the other hand, could not grasp even this incredibly basic concept, instead merely lying on the ground and making gurgling noises."

According to Howell, almost 60 percent of the infants tested in this manner eventually drowned.

Some of the babies tested were actually so stupid that they choked to death on pieces of Micronaut space toys. Others, unable to use such primitive instruments as can openers and spoons due to insufficient motor skills, simply starved to death, despite being surrounded by cabinets full of nutritious, life-giving Gerber-brand baby-food products.

Babies, the study concluded, are also too stupid to do the following: avoid getting their heads trapped in automatic car windows; use ice to alleviate the pain of burn injuries resulting from touching an open flame; master the skills required for scuba diving; and use a safety ladder to reach a window to escape from a room filled with cyanide gas.

"As a mother of four, I find these results very disheartening," Bentley told reporters. "I can honestly say that the effort I have expended trying to raise my children into intelligent beings may have been entirely wasted--a fool's dream, if you will."

Study results also prompted a strong reaction from President Clinton. "All of us, on some primitive, mammalian level, feel a great sense of pride in our offspring," Clinton said. "It is now clear, however, that these feelings are unfounded. Given the overwhelming evidence of their profound stupidity, we have no choice but to replace our existing infant population with artificially incubated simu-drones, with the eventual goal of phasing out the shamefully stupid human baby forever."

jackles wrote:yes blags .
consciousness is the alpha and omega of existance.

socratus wrote:

jackles wrote:yes blags .
consciousness is the alpha and omega of existance.

Existence = consciousness + matter.
Consciousness is the alpha and omega of existence. / "jackles" /
Matter with consciousness is a living being.
Matter without consciousness is a dead matter.
Question:
What is interaction between consciousness and matter ?
==..

jackles wrote:ok lets take consciousness as nonlocal certainty.
matter as local uncertainty.
consciousness is then the relativity in the uncertainty.
so matter is the moved local uncertainty.
where as consciouness is the nonlocal mover of uncertainty giving future
tense to matter.
so its the conscious nonlocal certainty that is relativity an future tense
to the local uncertainty of local matter timespace.so nonlocality gives
locality its future tense.