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I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:35 am
by HexHammer
We were discussing Danish wealthfare, and some wealthfare users recieve more benefits than those on minimum wage and those who try to struggle starting a private buisness.
People don't have to do anything for the wealthfare other than going to some silly job activations courses that doesn't work.
I will let you guys try to analyse it first, and I give my view in a weeks time or so.
The parrot answerd me the following quote, clearly showing that he had no clue of the consequenses of what he really said.
A wise rabbi once told this story. It's an old story but it has relevance here: The workers work in the vineyard, they work all day in the hot sun, twelve hours. The master of the vineyard goes out from time to time – time to time – remember that -to the square where the loafers are lying in the sun. He goes to the men and says, “Why don’t you work?” They say, “Nobody has hired us.” So he hires them for work in the vineyard, and he does so all day long; even a few minutes before the end of the day he goes out and asks a few loafers to come in, They sit around a little, doing a little work, and at last the bell rings and everybody goes to the cashier’s window.
And the cashier gives everyone a dollar. Everyone, those who have worked ten minutes,
those who have worked 30 minutes, those who have worked an hour, those who have worked two
hours, three hours, and those who have worked twelve hours in the hot sun. Those who have worked
all that day get mad, of course, and say to the master of the vineyard, “Sir, that isn’t fair. We work
all day in the hot sun and get a dollar, and these loafers come in for ten minutes in the shade and get
a dollar too.” Says the lord of the vineyard, “What’s it to you? What have we agreed?” “Well,” they
say, “a dollar.”
“Did you get your dollar?” “Yes.” “Well, then, what do you want from me? What’s
it to you? Does it make you worse off that I am good? Many are called, few are chosen. The first will
be last and the last will be first.”
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:19 am
by Wyman
Hex, you know this is one of Jesus' allegories from the New Testament, don't you?
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:09 am
by HexHammer
Wyman wrote:Hex, you know this is one of Jesus' allegories from the New Testament, don't you?
Not really, but I read it here on this site, tho.
But it will cause problems here in our modern society if we base our views on this nonsense.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:21 am
by Impenitent
but the parrot is dead...
-Imp
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:35 am
by Ginkgo
Impenitent wrote:but the parrot is dead...
-Imp
No it's not, you only think it is dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
Blags will love this one. I am sure he is a Monty Python man.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:51 pm
by jackles
this is a parable about nonlocality.nonlocality cannot be measured in terms of local justice.cos it nolocality is indpendent of the event.its the exact samething as not judging.if you judge you get local just as fast as you judge in the same moment in fact.virtue and nonlocality being the exact same indistinguishable thing.if virtue judges it virtue becomes vice in that moment of judgment the nonlocal is lost to the local.amen.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:52 am
by Wyman
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:56 am
by HexHammer
Seems no one really graps ethics.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:56 pm
by Wyman
Hexhammer: The allegory could be saying that 'life's not fair.' The first workers made a contract with the employer. The others came along later and received a better contract. The first workers have no right to complain. They can't come back later to renegotiate their contracts based on notions of 'fairness.' This is Jesus' version of the free market. Matthew 20
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:29 pm
by HexHammer
Wyman wrote:Hexhammer: The allegory could be saying that 'life's not fair.' The first workers made a contract with the employer. The others came along later and received a better contract. The first workers have no right to complain. They can't come back later to renegotiate their contracts based on notions of 'fairness.' This is Jesus' version of the free market. Matthew 20
That is one view on the matter, tho I don't really agree with your arguments, specially not in a modern ethical context.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:14 pm
by HexHammer
Wyman wrote:Hexhammer: The allegory could be saying that 'life's not fair.' The first workers made a contract with the employer. The others came along later and received a better contract. The first workers have no right to complain. They can't come back later to renegotiate their contracts based on notions of 'fairness.' This is Jesus' version of the free market. Matthew 20
Ok I'll give a long answer now.
I quoted prof in OP, prof even weigh the anecdote as "wise" which it's by far not, as it's the foundation of discriminative behaviour and leads to nepotism.
We have discriminated women, burned them, stoned them, payed them less than men, not allowed them to vote, even in the middle East today they'r still suppressed and discriminated.
What is this to men? Pfff!! ..and the discrimination goes on.
Look at how we have had slaves, what is this to you fellow slave owners? ..pfff!! So we had slavery for thousands of years.
prof can't realize that his nonsense is what he actually spend so much time fighting in all his ethical scribbles, such irony.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:16 pm
by GreatandWiseTrixie
Real parrot or a human parrot?
Bad analogy, people on welfare can barely afford food and rent. Don't know how it is in Denmark, but I do think people who work their butts off should get paid more than minimum wage, which is larger than welfare, but still pitiful. It seems like lazy CEOs who only work to look good get more than their fair share. Not to mention, are simply immoral and unfair in their own right, pumping toxic chemicals in all of their overpriced foodstuffs and torturing animals. And for this they are rewarded millions. What a ridiculous and stupid planet of apes.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:33 am
by thedoc
HexHammer wrote:
A wise rabbi once told this story. It's an old story but it has relevance here: The workers work in the vineyard, they work all day in the hot sun, twelve hours. The master of the vineyard goes out from time to time – time to time – remember that -to the square where the loafers are lying in the sun. He goes to the men and says, “Why don’t you work?” They say, “Nobody has hired us.” So he hires them for work in the vineyard, and he does so all day long; even a few minutes before the end of the day he goes out and asks a few loafers to come in, They sit around a little, doing a little work, and at last the bell rings and everybody goes to the cashier’s window.
And the cashier gives everyone a dollar. Everyone, those who have worked ten minutes,
those who have worked 30 minutes, those who have worked an hour, those who have worked two
hours, three hours, and those who have worked twelve hours in the hot sun. Those who have worked
all that day get mad, of course, and say to the master of the vineyard, “Sir, that isn’t fair. We work
all day in the hot sun and get a dollar, and these loafers come in for ten minutes in the shade and get
a dollar too.” Says the lord of the vineyard, “What’s it to you? What have we agreed?” “Well,” they
say, “a dollar.”
“Did you get your dollar?” “Yes.” “Well, then, what do you want from me? What’s
it to you? Does it make you worse off that I am good? Many are called, few are chosen. The first will
be last and the last will be first.”
The parable is about people turning to God and it is saying that it doesn't matter when as long as you do. Those who repent and accept Jesus as savior are just as saved as those who are born into the belief. All are welcome, in the end.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:57 am
by HexHammer
thedoc wrote:The parable is about people turning to God and it is saying that it doesn't matter when as long as you do. Those who repent and accept Jesus as savior are just as saved as those who are born into the belief. All are welcome, in the end.
Dude, try pull your head out of your ass, it promotes bad behavior, you just need to repent and you get salvation and can enter heaven regardless of how much wrong one has done.
Re: I spoke to a parrot
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:27 am
by jackles
Yep you cant rationalise the kingdom of nonlocality with a local judgment or assessment.