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All myths contain truth.

Let's not forget that not too long ago Homer's Iliad and Odyssey were considered as "fairy taleS". Until we discovered Troy... People in the past did not waste time and effort to write fairy tales. Writting was too previous to spend it like that.

What could be the truth behind the story of the Original Sin? [gr. Προπατορικό αμάρτημα]

Freud believed that it must have something to do with a murder, since God in order to aleviate it sent his Son to be killed for humanity to be forgiven. [see http://librarum.org/book/24927/2442]

I believe that the story of the Original Sin contains some hidden philosophical knowledge about what we once KNEW and we have now forgotten. Once upon a time we knew how important we were as entities. Now, after analyzing so much things, after trying to UNDERSTAND, we have destroyed that KNOWLEDGE we once had. As Shestov says, every time you try to understand something, you destroy it by trying to put it into the little boxes you have in your mind.

But this is me.

What about you?

Which important message and wisdom could be hidden in the story of Original Sin?

Original sin is two or more people getting together: "The pathway of evil in every society flows through an institutional grid of religious, cultural and social values." --see http://church-of-ouzo.com.

origional sin is love as nonlocal consciousness being accessed by a localised brain and it love then falls into man and woman..so sex i think out of lust is origonal sin.

Do we clarify by looking at specific scriptures regarding 'Adam and Eve'?
Or do we compare the concept of 'original sin' from the perspective of different religions?

skakos wrote: Which important message and wisdom could be hidden in the story of Original Sin?

I don't believe that the 'incident' in the Garden of Eden was really an 'original sin' - I think that it was more of an evolutionary process (not Darwinian, by the way) of Man learning the true nature of Life by having to 'descent' into the lowness of mortality and various forms of savagery. I believe you can compare this to the Tao te Ching, where out of the 'Tao', there arises different kinds of dualities and conflicts which keep the world flowing. It's just the nature of Man itself and trying to find balance and unity transcending the duality of consciousness (high and low).

sjeff70 wrote:Do we clarify by looking at specific scriptures regarding 'Adam and Eve'?
Or do we compare the concept of 'original sin' from the perspective of different religions?

No, you look to the book of Revelation and "The Ouzo Prophecy."

"Original Sin" was man becoming self aware. When man became aware of his own mortality and created, or found God to save himself from death. Prior to this event man was little better than the other animals and didn't know about death as the end of his own existence. After, man knew that he was going to die and invented things to preserve himself after death, items in the grave tell of this awareness. Egyptians mummification of the body illustrate this obsession with life after death. The "Original Sin" had nothing to do with any actual act of wrong doing, only the awareness that some acts were harmful to others, and therefore wrong in themselves. Killing another human, and the awareness of the finality of that act, was probably one of the first acts that would be considered as sin. Man becoming aware of his own mortality, brought with it the awareness of the mortality of others, and the harm that came from ending that life.

thedoc you are taking consciouness to be localised or local to the brain in doing that you jump to your own local view of life in general and draw your egocentric conclusions.you have a limited mentality and therefor want to limit consciousness to that limited and some would say ignorant view of things.conclusion local equals ignorance.

"Original Sin - What was it?"

Nonexistent.

skakos wrote:All myths contain truth.

Let's not forget that not too long ago Homer's Iliad and Odyssey were considered as "fairy taleS". Until we discovered Troy... People in the past did not waste time and effort to write fairy tales. Writting was too previous to spend it like that.

What could be the truth behind the story of the Original Sin? [gr. Προπατορικό αμάρτημα]

Freud believed that it must have something to do with a murder, since God in order to aleviate it sent his Son to be killed for humanity to be forgiven. [see http://librarum.org/book/24927/2442]

I believe that the story of the Original Sin contains some hidden philosophical knowledge about what we once KNEW and we have now forgotten. Once upon a time we knew how important we were as entities. Now, after analyzing so much things, after trying to UNDERSTAND, we have destroyed that KNOWLEDGE we once had. As Shestov says, every time you try to understand something, you destroy it by trying to put it into the little boxes you have in your mind.

But this is me.

What about you?

Which important message and wisdom could be hidden in the story of Original Sin?

• According to my uncle, it is about when a man and a woman get first laid for a bedtime. But I was already afraid of this hypothesis before he told me that. And this is a more (most ?) freudian way than the one of Freud himself, apparently.
• According to a theologian friend - ex-physicist - there are no symbolical way, or very few.

But I considered the first freudian way I am describing as nonsense, or "not really". I mean, if this case is to produce life, it cannot be a sin. But also producing life is in a sense also to produce death, what could justify this interpretation.

For the second case, I think there could also be a way. When Adam & Eve chose to faith the snake, they overall attempted - and did ! - disobey their father.
Maybe it could be an admonishment against disobeying your own earthy father...

And as they would access the knowledge in good and bad, they discovered a unexpected world, by trying to understand the things as good and bad, what would get even worse, because our own notion of good is never or almost never the right according to an authoritarian father...

So in a sense, the world we "know" is not only the punishment of a first sense which could only result in a worse world, but could also be a symbol against disobeying the father.

It is wrong to think that the strory is all about sex. The Church blesses sex for making children. It just does not bless sex for... sex. The point of the story - according to my opinion - is more about the "Μακάριοι οι πτωχοί τω πνεύματι" (Blessed are the poor in spirit) Christ said. When we start analyzing things, when we start breaking the world into pieces, then we start losing its essence which is right in front of our eyes.