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does an electron when orbiting a nuclieus move at c.

jackles wrote:does an electron when orbiting a nuclieus move at c.

This might help.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduct ... igenstates

yes thanks for that ginkgo. ok what about the speed of a free electron then say in a cathiodray tube.

No because its a mass particle. And since it's wavelike and particular the whole orbital is not exactly a momentum in any exact direction per se. Which will probably help explain it in ways that are not as confusing to the layman as opined previously.

what about the electrons that are used in the double slit wave partical experiments then blags .what is there speed regs c.

Who knows what is going on in the atom (of hydrogen). Maybe it is an elementary particle that can be decomposed into an electron and a proton. Certainly there is not one homogenous ball circling around the other...

To shorten the explanations and to keep the consistencies I am to re-use backlink again:
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=9654&start=24

jackles wrote:what about the electrons that are used in the double slit wave partical experiments then blags .what is there speed regs c.

Less than c Jackles I am not sure what you are driving at. There's nothing an double slit that violates the speed of light or the transfer of information so you seem to be reaching for something I as yet am unaware of?

its just that it the electron is diffined as one thing with regard to an atom .and another thing when it the electron is fired at a target?whats what with the electron then.

jackles wrote:its just that it the electron is diffined as one thing with regard to an atom .and another thing when it the electron is fired at a target?whats what with the electron then.

No Jackles an electron is only defined as one thing regardless of it's state, it's actually a fundamental law of physics.

well if it the electron is fire at a target . the electron must then be an object which then hits another object.

Blaggard wrote:

jackles wrote:what about the electrons that are used in the double slit wave partical experiments then blags .what is there speed regs c.

Less than c Jackles I am not sure what you are driving at. There's nothing an double slit that violates the speed of light or the transfer of information so you seem to be reaching for something I as yet am unaware of?

Jackles might be trying to say that a wave propagates slower than a particle towards a target.

Other than that I don't really know what he is saying.

Ginkgo wrote:

Blaggard wrote:

jackles wrote:what about the electrons that are used in the double slit wave partical experiments then blags .what is there speed regs c.

Less than c Jackles I am not sure what you are driving at. There's nothing an double slit that violates the speed of light or the transfer of information so you seem to be reaching for something I as yet am unaware of?

Jackles might be trying to say that a wave propagates slower than a particle towards a target.

Other than that I don't really know what he is saying.

If he was saying that he would of course be wrong since wave and particle in the case of duality are the same thing.

jackles wrote:what about the electrons that are used in the double slit wave partical experiments then blags .what is there speed regs c.

Jackles the speed at which an electron travels when man shoots one at a target, be it a phosphorus coated piece of glass in a CRT or that of the double slit experiment, depends upon the gun used, which is measured in voltage, then math is applied to find the speed, though I'm no math wizard. In the case of a CRT it's the flyback transformer that gives the electron gun it's umph, usually measured in kV!

o.well thanks for that then. the double slit experiment has then no nessessary speed for the electrons to adopt first before a super position with one another can be achieved as they pass through the slits of the experiment to create the interference patern on the target.they could in fact then just be ambling through the experiment and the same wave pattern would occure on the target.

jackles wrote:o.well thanks for that then. the double slit experiment has then no nessessary speed for the electrons to adopt first before a super position with one another can be achieved as they pass through the slits of the experiment to create the interference patern on the target.they could in fact then just be ambling through the experiment and the same wave pattern would occure on the target.

The speed of a photon remains constant except through a medium. Photons don't actually build up to the speed of light. We could say that photons are 'born' at the speed of light.

If this is what you are getting at.