Ecology. Primitive. "Do something".

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Ecology. Primitive. "Do something".

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US is spending billions to kill a fish, so as to keep the "balance" of the ecosystem near lake Michigan.
[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26017956]

Had we been "primitive" we would simply eat them. And SAVE billions! But now we are "progressed". We feel we need to "do something". Feyerabend knew what he was talking about: people in Africa simply do not have the "We must do something" culture we westerners have and they live in a much better harmony with their environment.

How many times does out "DO SOMETHING!" attitude leads towards destruction? Just wandering... What do you think?
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skakos wrote:Had we been "primitive" we would simply eat them. And SAVE billions!
"I wouldn't eat it," Vincent Williams, 49, an unemployed former bank worker, said with a look of disgust on his face. <Source>

Yes, there's a misconception that North Americans will eat anything from unseasoned slop to gourmet meals, because they're so overweight. In reality they're more finicky and difficult to please than the finest French and Italian connoisseurs. Albeit their picky, epicurean fixations are often vulgar, revolving perversely around "proper tasting" junk food. Unlike people in impoverished countries, contemporary Americans / Canadians do not eat to stay alive. Many of them would literally starve rather than ingest something that does not perfectly appease their existing gustatory addictions.

Asian carp could be used for dog and cat food, if nothing else. They're low in mercury poisoning, and Omega-3 could also be processed out of them and added to other foods, sold as capsules.

"The Asian carp is high in omega-3 fatty acids, a common health supplement. They also can be processed into cat food, fertilizer, and a dietary supplement for livestock. They can be fed whole to zoo animals." <Source>
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hammock wrote:
skakos wrote:Had we been "primitive" we would simply eat them. And SAVE billions!
"I wouldn't eat it," Vincent Williams, 49, an unemployed former bank worker, said with a look of disgust on his face. <Source>

Yes, there's a misconception that North Americans will eat anything from unseasoned slop to gourmet meals, because they're so overweight. In reality they're more finicky and difficult to please than the finest French and Italian connoisseurs. Albeit their picky, epicurean fixations are often vulgar, revolving perversely around "proper tasting" junk food. Unlike people in impoverished countries, contemporary Americans / Canadians do not eat to stay alive. Many of them would literally starve rather than ingest something that does not perfectly appease their existing gustatory addictions.

Asian carp could be used for dog and cat food, if nothing else. They're low in mercury poisoning, and Omega-3 could also be processed out of them and added to other foods, sold as capsules.

"The Asian carp is high in omega-3 fatty acids, a common health supplement. They also can be processed into cat food, fertilizer, and a dietary supplement for livestock. They can be fed whole to zoo animals." <Source>
I do not think that if a "primitive" tribe lived there it would choone not to eat what nature provided...
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people in Africa simply do not have the "We must do something" culture we westerners have and they live in a much better harmony with their environment.
Which ones? Those who kill off the last five rhinos to sell the powdered horn to impotent old Chinese men, or the ones who poison entire lakes with effluent from a chemical factory, or the ones who press nine-year-olds into military service, or ....
No African tribe has been within spitting distance of harmony with nature since 1830 or so, when European conquerors started carving up the continent and imprisoning its peoples behind artificial borders.

Doing something may be wrong. Doing nothing may be wrong. Failing to do the right thing may be wrong. Doing the wrong thing is certainly wrong. But how do you know which is the wrong thing to do and which fish are safe to eat?
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the right thing emerges.thats evolution skip.
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Maybe so, but rarely from inaction.
Nature had nothing to do with putting those fish where they are -
This species of carp, as the name suggests, is native to the Far East.
They were originally introduced to southern US states more than three decades ago to control algal build-up in sewage treatment plants. But they escaped into the Mississippi River and proliferated, making their way north towards the Great Lakes.
More than a metre in length, they have displaced indigenous fish species along the way.
- it was a result of people "doing something " that looked right at the time and later turned out to be wrong. Whatever they can do now, including nothing, is necessarily out of harmony with nature. Whatever they decide to do - including turning the carp into burgers or selling the fishing rights to Purina - is probably better than nothing.
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