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People living in society are under an illusion that we are advancing as a global society, when in reality there is no such thing. There are still age old problems such as wars, famine, disease, corruption, greed, etc., only that these problems have become more efficient as there's new technical development. We are becoming more vulnerable with all the food and drink supply being artificial, vaccines that cause diseases and many disorders, fluoride being dumped into our water supply, and technology being used to spy on us, to torture us, and indoctrinate us with the use of TV culture and government propaganda.

If you'd ask me, we are sowing the seeds of our own downfall, as we drift away from Nature and create a wall of disillusionment and confusion. It's all thinks to our Masters, who whip us up into being passive slaves, lie to us by promising us peace, and then kill us all.

What you were saying, would be true, if I was not sitting exactly where I am, with anything readily available to me, with securities (food, water, nourishment, entertainment, pleasure, health... this very discussion) unlike anything anyone in history has ever experienced, the only general problems I have are luxury problems. Problems that exist in things that have already hugely advanced my life, like a slow internet connection, which really requires me to first have the revolutionary technology of the internet to have the problem, so merely a problem of imperfection.

The quality of life I'm capable of acquiring is vast in historical terms. My life expectancy, the dependability I have on all my goods, the very access to those goods, and so forth... All this would be unthinkable a hundred years ago. A thousand years ago it would be nothing but a pure dream. People died in their 30ies, 40ies and 50ies at most, that was the norm a thousand years ago. You barely got life started before you succumbed to a disease. You were barely out of your childhood before you got married... sex education? Forget it, whether you were a girl or a boy, you might as well had been raped at your arranged marriage night, which still exists today, but far less widespread.

Today you can actually enjoy sex quite a lot, you don't have to pregnant, you don't have to die while giving birth, you know how to do it in a way that's more civilized than a dog's understanding of sex, and you can choose the time and place where and when you want to do it.

Diseases? Yeah people still die, but in most capable countries, you really don't have to worry about not getting cared for or helped, the availability of treatment methods across the range of possible diseases is wide, people can also get sufficient information to adjust according to their conditions, and they can get financial and assistant help to deal with an impairments or temporary or permanent disablings or impediments.

The Voice of Time wrote:What you were saying, would be true, if I was not sitting exactly where I am, with anything readily available to me, with securities (food, water, nourishment, entertainment, pleasure, health... this very discussion) unlike anything anyone in history has ever experienced, the only general problems I have are luxury problems. Problems that exist in things that have already hugely advanced my life, like a slow internet connection, which really requires me to first have the revolutionary technology of the internet to have the problem, so merely a problem of imperfection.

Ah yes, the artificial GMOs and Aspartame from Monsanto that causes Cancer and many other diseases, along with Mercury in foods and drinks such as snacks and milk. Yes, the quality of food, health, and nourishment is all thinks to the Big Pharma and corporate monopolies, that drugs us to death with mind-numbing prescription medication, vaccines that cause Autism, ADD, ADHD, and a number of many diseases and disorders. All while we are bombarded with junk TV shows and useless magazines of spoiled celebrities and entertained by stupid stuff. All the pleasure you can get from being entertained by crap.

The Voice of Time wrote: The quality of life I'm capable of acquiring is vast in historical terms. My life expectancy, the dependability I have on all my goods, the very access to those goods, and so forth... All this would be unthinkable a hundred years ago. A thousand years ago it would be nothing but a pure dream. People died in their 30ies, 40ies and 50ies at most, that was the norm a thousand years ago. You barely got life started before you succumbed to a disease. You were barely out of your childhood before you got married... sex education? Forget it, whether you were a girl or a boy, you might as well had been raped at your arranged marriage night, which still exists today, but far less widespread.

Did you not look at the fact that the Western world has falling birthrates, and that the rest of the world is suffering from diseases thanks to the multinational corporations and the western governments choking them at their necks?

The Voice of Time wrote: Today you can actually enjoy sex quite a lot, you don't have to pregnant, you don't have to die while giving birth, you know how to do it in a way that's more civilized than a dog's understanding of sex, and you can choose the time and place where and when you want to do it.

Sex has become such a perverted pass-time, with the rise of Porn that degrades and abuse women. Everyone always seem to have sex on their minds, that all they see in gender are appearances that attract their energies from down below, instead of stimulating their energies of above (the mind).

The Voice of Time wrote: Diseases? Yeah people still die, but in most capable countries, you really don't have to worry about not getting cared for or helped, the availability of treatment methods across the range of possible diseases is wide, people can also get sufficient information to adjust according to their conditions, and they can get financial and assistant help to deal with an impairments or temporary or permanent disablings or impediments.

I'm pretty sure Big Pharma has such a monopoly on medicine. Meanwhile, anyone who tries to sell real medicine are often labeled "quacks" by the Western medical and scientific establishment.

I've had this same discussion with you before where you did not answer me.

Falling birthrates is not a bad thing. We don't live to give birth to babies, we live to enjoy our lives. You've also forgotten it seems the fact that GMO is not in every country, my own country included. The range of other issues you raise, from cancer to ADHD, does not really appear to be thought through, as first of all, we don't really know how it might go up and how it might go down in the population over the course of time, so we don't have reliable comparisons. In the past people didn't live long enough to have cancer usually ^^ Cancer is actually a kind of luxury-disease... having it usually means you've lived long enough to experience it. It's partially an old man/woman's disease.

Hey don't talk down about porn! I love porn, porn is awesome, just women pleasing each other and/or men on camera and sharing their experience with the world for money (or free... I only watch free).

The "big pharma" as you call it is also wrong labelling, as there's a lot of medicine producing companies in the world, and not just a few. The "real medicine" you also refer to, I answered you about in another thread, where I told you that your "real medicine" is nothing but hoax and insufficiently working recipes.

The Voice of Time wrote: Falling birthrates is not a bad thing. We don't live to give birth to babies, we live to enjoy our lives.

Without babies, the human species would be extinct, as there would be no future generation for us to pass down our traditions to. That's how our ancestors, for example, and their achievements and tales live on, and that's how culture is created. Also, that statement "we live to enjoy our lives", along with "falling birth rates" is very selfish and hubris of you to make. It's a sign that we humans are facing very severe complications, notably sterilization thanks to birth control along with many other toxins thrown into the environment. Plus, seeing that you've made a remark about porn below, which is very stupidly immature of you to say that, it seems as though you just want all the selfish pleasure you can get, all while you have others out in the streets begging and starving to death.

The Voice of Time wrote: You've also forgotten it seems the fact that GMO is not in every country, my own country included. The range of other issues you raise, from cancer to ADHD, does not really appear to be thought through, as first of all, we don't really know how it might go up and how it might go down in the population over the course of time, so we don't have reliable comparisons. In the past people didn't live long enough to have cancer usually ^^ Cancer is actually a kind of luxury-disease... having it usually means you've lived long enough to experience it. It's partially an old man/woman's disease.

Statistics are not enough to explain the dangers of GMOs. If you want to see the damaging effects of GMOs, along with the other chemicals that Monsanto have made, I suggest you start researching into it. For starters, maybe you can watch "The World According to Monsanto" online below that shows you these effects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_DbVdVo-k

The Voice of Time wrote: Hey don't talk down about porn! I love porn, porn is awesome, just women pleasing each other and/or men on camera and sharing their experience with the world for money (or free... I only watch free).

Ah, just like you as a pig to just lay around in your folly to say that. Just goes to show what a complete immoral sty you are, living in your utopic fantasy world.

The Voice of Time wrote: The "big pharma" as you call it is also wrong labelling, as there's a lot of medicine producing companies in the world, and not just a few. The "real medicine" you also refer to, I answered you about in another thread, where I told you that your "real medicine" is nothing but hoax and insufficiently working recipes.

The medicine before Big Pharma was actually quite healthier and more natural, and has given a lot of benefits. Here's a list of beneficial medicines.

* Homeopathy - Concept used by Hippocrates and Paracelsus, and later used by Samuel Hahnemann. The treatment involves using medicine that is like the symptom of a disease to cure the disease (like cures like).
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/health/homeopathy.htm
http://www.homoeo.com/articles/benefits.shtml
* Ayurveda - Ancient Indian medicine utilizing several natural methods to cure symptoms and heal people.
http://www.ayurveda.com/
Also, read some writings by Robert E. Svoboda
* Marijuana - Use goes back all the way to Ancient China. It has been used as medicine to treat symptoms as well, until the 1930s after a smear campaign engaged by Henry J. Asslinger (Bureau of Narcotics), William Randolph Hearst (newspaper monopolist), along with Rockefeller and other medical and industrial companies.
http://antiquecannabisbook.com/

As compared to:

* Prescription drugs, in which there's rising overdoses from abuse in places like Pennsylvania and other states, where people are overdosing on medications such as opiates which coincides with the rise of heroin use in recent times. You can search that and get sources all over Google.
https://www.google.com/#q=people+dying+ ... +addiction
* Vaccines - Has mercury, arsenic, and dozens of other chemicals in it. Major symptoms include damaging of the immune system, allergies, brain damage, and many other disorders. There have actually been numerous studies that document the adverse reactions when being vaccinated.
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mercola.html
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/health/va ... hedule.htm
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/health/homeopathy.htm
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/10221 ... owth.shtml
http://www.1796kotok.com/vaccines/news/pdfs/geier.pdf

WanderingLands wrote:cure symptoms

I just have to laugh when I read things like this, as you're not supposed to cure the symptoms, but the illness!

WanderingLands wrote:Without babies, the human species would be extinct

And so what? We don't exist merely to exist, that's a pretty boring reason to exist. As long as the human being is having a good time, its population can be any number.

WanderingLands wrote:Ah, just like you as a pig to just lay around in your folly to say that.

This is really just an emotional response, seems to be born out of hatred, but for what reason? You really think porn stars experience being degraded, or do you think they relish in being appreciated for the way they are able to make so many people joyous? I don't know if you're a man or a woman, but in either case, you should perhaps visit some of these people before you stigmatize them.

WanderingLands wrote:Just goes to show what a complete immoral sty you are, living in your utopic fantasy world.

I'm not living there, but it certainly makes my everyday world seem better and a wank every now and then makes my body calm and soothed. You should try it, you look stressed x)

WanderingLands wrote:Plus, seeing that you've made a remark about porn below, which is very stupidly immature of you to say that, it seems as though you just want all the selfish pleasure you can get, all while you have others out in the streets begging and starving to death.

Seems selfish of you to be spending time here as well and not being out there helping those street beggars and those starving to death... shame on you! xP

But on a more serious note, we all have our roles to play in life, someone saves starving children, someone gives the beggar money (I was a beggar twice you know) and someone spends time philosophizing to give the world a better understanding of itself.

The Voice of Time wrote:

WanderingLands wrote:cure symptoms

I just have to laugh when I read things like this, as you're not supposed to cure the symptoms, but the illness!

Very typical of you to take what I say and put it out of context and attack it.

The Voice of Time wrote:
And so what? We don't exist merely to exist, that's a pretty boring reason to exist. As long as the human being is having a good time, its population can be any number.

I think that don't human beings are to be limited to material pleasure; I believe they all search for a deeper meaning than that of a 'good time'. They only seek pleasure, I believe, to fill the void of what they probably want - higher than what you're thinking of.

The Voice of Time wrote: This is really just an emotional response, seems to be born out of hatred, but for what reason? You really think porn stars experience being degraded, or do you think they relish in being appreciated for the way they are able to make so many people joyous? I don't know if you're a man or a woman, but in either case, you should perhaps visit some of these people before you stigmatize them.

If you haven't researched on pornography, you should know that women in the porno industry often feel guilt and shame for performing degrading acts (such as blow jobs, ass to mouth; even physical beating). There are actually many ex-porns stars who speak out against the abuse that they endure. There's also been deaths on the scene from such abuses; porns stars also contract infections from sex, as well as places where they perform on the scene.

Your arrogant attitude is the reason why I lashed out at you. Every time we converse, and everytime I see your posts on other threads, you always act arrogant and egotistical. I just watch many people, like yourself, being pretentious as they are, acting like they're "above" everybody. I see this everywhere, including intellectual circles such as philosophy.

BTW. I'm a man.

The Voice of Time wrote:
I'm not living there, but it certainly makes my everyday world seem better and a wank every now and then makes my body calm and soothed. You should try it, you look stressed]

I prefer meditation, exercise, and a healthy diet to be calm.

WanderingLands wrote:People living in society are under an illusion that we are advancing as a global society, when in reality there is no such thing. There are still age old problems such as wars, famine, disease, corruption, greed, etc., only that these problems have become more efficient as there's new technical development. We are becoming more vulnerable with all the food and drink supply being artificial, vaccines that cause diseases and many disorders, fluoride being dumped into our water supply, and technology being used to spy on us, to torture us, and indoctrinate us with the use of TV culture and government propaganda.

If you'd ask me, we are sowing the seeds of our own downfall, as we drift away from Nature and create a wall of disillusionment and confusion. It's all thinks to our Masters, who whip us up into being passive slaves, lie to us by promising us peace, and then kill us all.

Wow, someone after my own heart.

Much truth is contained in what you say, yet, as far as I'm concerned the truth as to the culpability of those seemingly to blame, is still in question. I mean as to their intent.

To me, it's still unclear as to whether its a result of knowingly killing due to ones selfishness/greediness, as in some sort of Eugenics/Genocide program, or just blind stupidity, along the trail to money and power.

In reality it's probably a mixture of both, easily understood, as one reads headlines of mothers and fathers murdering their progeny, showing us that there are crazy selfish people around, even ones that read this forum, I'm sure.

WanderingLands wrote:Your arrogant attitude is the reason why I lashed out at you. Every time we converse, and everytime I see your posts on other threads, you always act arrogant and egotistical. I just watch many people, like yourself, being pretentious as they are, acting like they're "above" everybody. I see this everywhere, including intellectual circles such as philosophy.

But I am above you! You focus on petty and unimportant things and generalize and exaggerate problems. You mix half-truths with lies and makes one big angry propaganda poster out of it ^^ How am I not to look down on you?

SpheresOfBalance wrote: Wow, someone after my own heart.

Much truth is contained in what you say, yet, as far as I'm concerned the truth as to the culpability of those seemingly to blame, is still in question. I mean as to their intent.

To me, it's still unclear as to whether its a result of knowingly killing due to ones selfishness/greediness, as in some sort of Eugenics/Genocide program, or just blind stupidity, along the trail to money and power.

In reality it's probably a mixture of both, easily understood, as one reads headlines of mothers and fathers murdering their progeny, showing us that there are crazy selfish people around, even ones that read this forum, I'm sure.

I wonder a lot myself of what they're intentions are, and why they are doing this. It's been a long ride for me to search out the truth, and many times have I been falling into ruts and frustration over the many contradictions that I encounter when reading many things.

WanderingLands wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote: Wow, someone after my own heart.

Much truth is contained in what you say, yet, as far as I'm concerned the truth as to the culpability of those seemingly to blame, is still in question. I mean as to their intent.

To me, it's still unclear as to whether its a result of knowingly killing due to ones selfishness/greediness, as in some sort of Eugenics/Genocide program, or just blind stupidity, along the trail to money and power.

In reality it's probably a mixture of both, easily understood, as one reads headlines of mothers and fathers murdering their progeny, showing us that there are crazy selfish people around, even ones that read this forum, I'm sure.

I wonder a lot myself of what they're intentions are, and why they are doing this. It's been a long ride for me to search out the truth, and many times have I been falling into ruts and frustration over the many contradictions that I encounter when reading many things.

My wife and I have been doing quite a bit of research into health issues as we are getting to that age where proper nutrition is no longer optional, not that it really ever was, but foolish in youth, as monkeys see and monkeys do. And it's true, as far as we can tell, that food additives are one of the main reasons for a lot of health issues. The best way for anyone to eat in the USA is organic, non-GMO, whole foods, that one can then add together to make their favorite dish's. Any processed food, should be avoided at all costs, which of course includes fast food. Then of course there's big pharma, and doctors that reap the rewards of both these food additives and allopathy as taught in today's medical schools. It's quite apparent to me that whatever keeps the money flowing, the economy balanced, is good, no matter what the side effects, as in how many are slowly sickened and killed as a result. Also from what I've gathered, many European countries seem to be better at taking care of the peoples health concerns than the US of A. Don't even get me started on Monsanto, and their want to patent one generation seeds, those that do not create viable seeds for future generations, the sick twisted bastards that they are!!!!! Yes man is often an ugly greedy creature, that can't see the life for the self.