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On what basis does the U.S. act like it owns Guantanamo Bay, when it is part of Cuba, and Cuba has wanted us out of there for over 50 years?

The US are hypocrites and liars and have been for at least as long as I have been alive, you'll get used to it Bob, after all my government are the same, and we created that nonsense by ah I am pretty sure you know the history of the colonies and England's part in it, I wont bore you...

If you are going to research politics you are going to find one long winded mess of self interest, greed, intolerance and a will to subjugate. We seem to be good at it us humans.

Welcome to the jungle Bob. No higher order apes have writing, a legal system, ethics or a culture but us, and yet you look at us and wonder why we consider ourselves more evolved than say our nearest cousins chimpanzees. And the funny thing is chimps can actually outperform us in many ways, there's a disconnect there...

It is insane that we are threatening Russia when Crimea wants to be part of Russia again, like it was for 250 years, and there is not a single Cuban that wants us in Guantanamo Bay, where we continue to commit crimes against humanity, as well as against the Cuban people with our economic blockade.

bobevenson wrote:It is insane that we are threatening Russia when Crimea wants to be part of Russia again, like it was for 250 years, and there is not a single Cuban that wants us in Guantanamo Bay, where we continue to commit crimes against humanity, as well as against the Cuban people with our economic blockade.

Bob politics is fucked up, and I know sincerely what you mean, you get used to the playground politics, the longer you see it, but it is depressing to watch idiots frot and penis fence seemingly endlessly. Just Imagine a calm blue ocean, sit back and let the waves of crap roll over you is my advice, it doesn't get any more stupid than politics, it does however get better if tackled with an ennui. Just a piece of advice from one friend to another: don't let the bastards grind you down.

Russia moved in pre-emptively so that is the reason other nations became bothered, as you know Russia as the largest country in the world has a long history of just annexing states. I think it's kinda obvious other countries are bothered when Russia clearly could of waited for a diplomatic solution, and still regained Crimea, instead they chose the path of most resistance. Like I say the Russian Premier is playing a dangerous political game, for no reason anyone can fathom, other than Russian posturing, which has always made people nervous...

After the 2nd world War Russia annexed most of Western Europe despite very considered attempts by NATO to prevent it, when they start doing it again everyone gets antsy, and for understandable reasons.

Guantanamo Bay is nowhere a proper country like Crimea is. It's a tiny little lump of sand and bushes. Wiki answers says it's 45 square miles: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_is_Gu ... y?#slide=2

As far as I know, there's no resources there to steal, no population to repress (from the Cuban government perspective) or the likes. I don't like the naval base either, but could've been worse.

The Voice of Time wrote:Guantanamo Bay is nowhere a proper country like Crimea is. It's a tiny little lump of sand and bushes. Wiki answers says it's 45 square miles: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_is_Gu ... y?#slide=2

As far as I know, there's no resources there to steal, no population to repress (from the Cuban government perspective) or the likes. I don't like the naval base either, but could've been worse.

All I'm saying is that the U.S. needs to justify 50 years of holding Guantanamo Bay and the Cuban people hostage before criticizing Russia.

those who say 'but USA does very bad things too' may want to check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Kayla wrote:those who say 'but USA does very bad things too' may want to check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Unfortunately, the U.S. is a pot calling the kettle black, and that, dear girl, is not a fallacy. Putin is entitled to say to Obama, "When are you going to get out of Cuba?"

Putin can say what he likes but as I already said, this is not about the US this is about a known aggressor that has a long history of annexing states, doing the same again, despite seemingly the diplomatic route being by far the easier and wiser course.

Yes the US have a long history of stupendous hypocrisy, but that does not ameliorate Russia's past imperial acquisitions. Putin is a loose cannon and understandably just as when Stalin was marching across the Balklands soaking up the Eastern European states, people are worried it's all just a little piece of history repeating, and IMO rightly so. I do think that if Crimea wants to part of Russia there is no one and nothing on Earth that can stop that from happening, which is why Putins pre-emptive strike is so perplexing, he could of just waited and he would of had the Crimea anyway. It's dumb ass playground politics. Posturing, the same old same old. And it was a stupid then as it is now...

Incidentally Absinthe despite it's high alcohol content has never really made people hallucinate, and even its active ingredients such as wormwood, taken in high doses don't do that. That said if you drink anything in large amounts for long enough you will indeed see pink elephants on parade.

It's one of those myths, anyone who has tried Absinthe though which is usually around 60% alcohol will tell you that it makes you drunk very quickly and it also tastes strongly of the star aniseed, that is they will when they wake up eventually the next morning with a hangover that will last for days.

Take a mouthful leave it on your tongue for a moment, and see how much is left when you try to swallow; it's high alcohol content means it sublimes so rapidly that you would barely get half of the liquid down your neck.

Blaggard wrote:Putin is a known aggressor...

All he is doing is allowing land that was part of Russia for 250 years until the Soviet Union gave it to Ukraine without so much as a single vote let the people now vote overwhelmingly to return to the fatherland. As Putin said, what's wrong with that?

didnt the referendum have two options - one, join russia, and two, join russia?