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Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:47 am
by The Voice of Time
I was as shocked as everyone else when Obama received the prize, and I couldn't really believe that he could possibly deserve it at that moment as he had done nothing exceptional in the area of peace. Some commentators said though, that Obama got the prize not for what he had done, but for the optimism of the Nobel Committee that he would become a positive influence. It's ridiculous to make such a decision, but it seems that it wasn't that bad a decision after all... as Obama's time is running out, let's take a look at some of the things he has done in regards to the military...

1) He withdrew from Iraq, ensuring that the new democratic regime could start running its own country on its own terms and that US presence would decrease agitation in the population (not that the new regime has an easy task, as Baghdad is considered the world's most dangerous city)

2) He plans to withdraw from Afghanistan and has already withdrawn large amounts of forces

3) Miraculously for a US president, he never started a single war, and even when engaging in new military conflicts like the bombing of the Libyan combat vehicle fleet, he kept a low profile and let the world community speak more united, giving precedence to a new world order based on unified justice instead of the popularized "world policing"... the equivalent in social progress of going from medieval and ancient towns guards that executed justice to their own preferences, for then to make a court where justice is served by tribal chiefs... it's still pretty underdeveloped a system of justice, but at least justice, if kept in this manner, can be better determined, the burden distributed and it can be carried out in a less messy (the efficiency of the bombing was very great, in short time the fleet was heavily crippled... the amount of money and personnel needed for US to do it single-handedly would've been great)

4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcvaPPaxDSU I just saw this, and now he's reducing the army. Which, for anyone who knows a bit about Nobel's Testament, is pretty much the reason for anyone to receive the Prize. The reduction of armed forces.

In my eyes, it seems Obama truly has deserved it, even if he got it at the wrong time. He may not be an angel, but his little acts of American pacification are a seed, and a seed for which I hope can grow to become a better future, with less death, less destruction, and more changes in the world done peacefully.

Like Ukraine just now. Despite ~100 people dead, the mini-revolution we just witnessed is a stark contrast to what a revolution 100 years ago meant. Revolutions at that time took thousands if not tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths, led to huge destructions of infrastructure and society itself. So I cross my hands that future US presidents will follow his example, preferably improve upon it, and show diplomatic strength instead of military strength, that are both cheaper in economic costs (Bush has torn his federal government's economy to sunder and we are all just waiting for what unlucky president shall have to finally solve the debt crisis, and what miraculous means the person will have to pull from its sleeve) and cheaper in human costs (lives... less deaths... ethics... fewer civilian casualties... and human welfare... less destruction of infrastructure, property and essential resources, like farming, food and medical personnel, equipment and facilities).

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:15 am
by jackles
must say i agree with on this voice.but he obama should do something to help save the elaphants.

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:57 pm
by bobevenson
The Congressional Budget Office estimates that Obamacare will reduce the hours Americans work by the equivalent of 2 million full-time jobs by 2017.

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:06 pm
by WanderingLands
So, you support Obama or something?

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:00 am
by The Voice of Time
bobevenson wrote:The Congressional Budget Office estimates that Obamacare will reduce the hours Americans work by the equivalent of 2 million full-time jobs by 2017.
Nice for them to have a better chance to get well then x)

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:01 am
by The Voice of Time
WanderingLands wrote:So, you support Obama or something?
Better man than any other alternative I could've imagined possible. But not worthy to lead my democratic socialist country of Norway x) He's too marked-liberal and social conservative for that. And I don't like Presidentialism, I'm very comfortable with unicameral parliamentarian rule, which is in my view the only true form of democracy. No senate, no president, just one group of people elected as party members distributed among the parliament seats based upon how many votes each party gets, where they stay for 4 year periods (we do have a King though and a Parliamentarian president who both have a veto right, but it has never been used since independence in 1905 from Sweden, so de facto they don't actually exercise their power).

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:00 pm
by bobevenson
Democracy is merely the ultimate refuge from government despotism and the trampling of human rights, and Norway needs it in spades.

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:50 pm
by jackles
obama has african conections he could should do somthing for the endangered wild life.elephants need help.

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:26 pm
by The Voice of Time
jackles wrote:obama has african conections he could should do somthing for the endangered wild life.elephants need help.
^^ I just felt like eating Elephant Steak :P

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:21 pm
by jackles
no voice a jumbo burger does mean its elephant meat.ha

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:27 pm
by bobevenson
jackles wrote:obama has african conections...
Yes, and he is doing everything possible to bring us down to their level.

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:05 pm
by jackles
what level you talkin bob elephants level.?ha

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:56 pm
by Blaggard
bobevenson wrote:
jackles wrote:obama has african conections...
Yes, and he is doing everything possible to bring us down to their level.
That sounds a bit racialist, can you explain further I am not sure you mean that Africans are a sub species or any of that Nazi guff but you do sound like a fascist?
jackles wrote:what level you talkin bob elephants level.?ha
Frankly I agree if an alien were to look objectively at Earth he would not see humans as the most evolved species, he would see a vast number of species that are so much more than humans ever will be, which is a little depressing, we evolved the ability to talk and we seem to be using it not to listen. ;)

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:32 pm
by bobevenson
Blaggard wrote:That sounds a bit racist, can you explain further? I am not sure you mean that Africans are a sub species or any of that Nazi guff, but you do sound like a fascist.
Why is that racist? Obama's brand of socialism offers us a future of the sword, starvation and pestilence, just like Africa. Welcome to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Re: Obama and The Nobel Peace Prize

Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:58 am
by The Voice of Time
bobevenson wrote:
Blaggard wrote:Why is that racist? Obama's brand of socialism offers us a future of the sword, starvation and pestilence, just like Africa. Welcome to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
You missed a horse. And I believe the correct spelling of all four is "Conquest, War, Famine, and Death", though Pestilence makes out cooler and more depressing variation: "War, Famine, Pestilence and Death".