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http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/e ... ments.html

Arising_uk wrote:Study and learn.

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/e ... ments.html

I'll look at it. Thanks.

p.s.
My apologies my post sounded too patronising as you obviously like numbers.

It was meant to be more Source Geometry Work or some such.

Of much more profound impact was the invention of non euclidean geaometry it caused quite a stir in Victorian England for example and is reputed to be why Lewis Caroll wrote Alice in Wonderland, he also published some scathing attack on the use of infinities and the general warping of normal space idea. Professor Moriarty in the Sherlock books is a Professor of non euclidean geometry for example. Caused quite a rash of religious apologetics and counter religious fervour to erupt.

Essentially hyperbolic geometry and eliptical geometry are the reason that Einstein was able to model general relativity too, so it's impact on maths physics and the world was enormous.



And then there is of course The Matrix, blue pill or red pill, through the looking glass, white rabbit references, so its impact on culture in general is profound. If you can make your own reality what would you do?

There is no spoon.

Arising_uk wrote:p.s.
My apologies my post sounded to patronising as you obviously like numbers.

It was meant to be more Source Geometry Work or some such.

I knew that you were trying to sound condescending, but it's not really worth making a fuss about it.

WanderingLands wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:p.s.
My apologies my post sounded to patronising as you obviously like numbers.

It was meant to be more Source Geometry Work or some such.

I knew that you were trying to sound condescending, but it's not really worth making a fuss about it.

Actually he was trying to help that link is in fact extremely pertinent to your material.



This is actually a celtic/druidic symbol called the endless knot meant to symbolise life, it is a design found etched on many old brooches from the pre Christian days, it's impressive in its complexity and shows the smithing technology of some of those so called backwards tribes was extremely complex despite what the Roman scholars said about the peoples they took as slaves at the time. Some of the techniques used in silver and gold smithing for example cannot be replicated by people now, the same is true of some glassware that comes from Roman artisans.

There's a vase made of glass with an outer shell interwoven in a pattern that as yet no glass blower has managed to replicate, and it suppose just goes to show that not all technology was useful, the sheer artistry though is incredible; I suppose it is one of a kind made by a master of unsurpassed skill, the knowledge of how to do that sort of complex shape around a glass bottle or shell has been lost to the ages it seems.

If I can find an image of the vase I will post it, it's unbelievable.

There's also the Gordian Knot an impossible design created by the Greeks that seemingly is un undoable.



Remind you of anything.

Obviously some art was extremely sophisticated in ancient times and such knowledge was often surpassed or passed on by real masters of their art. Free trade of jewellery etc between various civilisations is probably the means such knowledge was integrated into various peoples, but it makes for some interesting historical questions if nothing else.



You have to admit some of the glassware from ancient times is bloody impressive:

"The second being is the Chinese dragon ( the fu dog). This creature is even more frightening than the first, so be prepared. Again, this creature cannot harm you in anyway. Somehow these entities are in suspended animation. They are real but they do not and cannot move. ..." Lmao! Barking! Completely barking!.

Blaggard wrote:Of much more profound impact was the invention of non euclidean geometry ...

It's a shame that pretty much only mathematicians and philosophers of science know who Lobachevsky, Bolyai, Gauss and Riemann were and what they enabled but think it a bit strong to say 'much more profound impact' than Euclid, as without him none of the others I'd guess(although I do understand the idea that ideas come when they're due)

Arising_uk wrote:

Blaggard wrote:Of much more profound impact was the invention of non euclidean geometry ...

It's a shame that pretty much only mathematicians and philosophers of science know who Lobachevsky, Bolyai, Gauss and Riemann were and what they enabled but think it a bit strong to say 'much more profound impact' than Euclid, as without him none of the others I'd guess(although I do understand the idea that ideas come when they're due)

Well I did not say that all I said was that the impact of non euclidean geometry drove what was to become both the apologist movement and its antithesis the atheist movement.

Charles Dodgson aka Lewis Caroll was an Anglican priest.

J.R.R.Tolkien attended school with C.S.Lewis and was professor of ancient languages at Cambridge, and was until he met him a staunch atheist, Lewis of course went on to write The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe Saga, and spent a great deal of time in the Christian apologist movement; Tolkien went on to write The Silmarillion an analogy to the Biblical stories of Eden and The Lord of the Rings an analogy to pre civilisation culture or at least Anglo Saxon mythology such as Beowulf, King Arthur and so on.

So I think such things were of such monumental cultural impact that it is not unfair to say that non euclidean geometry has had a profound impact on modern people. I am of course not trying to underplay the role of Euclidean geometry in shaping the following 2000 years, I was just raising a point of order, clearly hyperbolic and eliptical geometry are pivotal moments to many cultures, just as Euclidean geometry ruled philosophy and science for thousands of years.

Fair enough.

Blaggard wrote:...

Charles Dodgson aka Lewis Carol was an Anglican priest. ...

Loved his version of Symbolic Logic as its one of the best books to introduce children(and adults come to that) to the subject.

Arising_uk wrote:Fair enough.

Blaggard wrote:...

Charles Dodgson aka Lewis Carol was an Anglican priest. ...

Loved his version of Symbolic Logic as its one of the best books to introduce children(and adults come to that) to the subject.

There's no doubting he was an astute mathematician and scholar to say the very least.