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Most people pursue financial gain. What if we all sought biological gain? The latter makes more sense to me. We are approaching technology that will allow for us to have control over our own mortalities. Shouldn't this be our highest priority?

I have a very wealthy friend who makes a high income in finance. His job is to convince banks to loan wealthy people money interest rates that make my friend and the bank high profits. When I visited him, he took me on his expensive boat. We had a pretty good time, but I think he said that he used up about $1000.00 that day in fuel. Then we went back to his mansion.

Only about 15 years ago, we would amuse ourselves with simple games like Monopoly and Risk when money was tight. However, we both agree that we had plenty of fun back then. I couldn't tell him this, but I am sure we had more fun playing cards and board games than being on his boat.

My point is simple and probably obvious. Excessive money may or may not make life "better". If it does, I have yet to discover hard evidence for this.

One thing that we can all probably agree on is that life is more important than money. Without life money has no value.

Money cannot buy life yet, generally. The only thing that can gain life for people is to learn how to increase time alive; and by "time" I mean quality time.

We live in a universe that has told us its building blocks. It is not a matter of can we live as long as we want but a matter of how.

So what if I asked my friend and every other person like him to go back to school and study biotechnology, which encompasses practically all of the sciences? He will say "no". But how can I make him and people alike to understand that their priorities don't make sense? If we all help advance medicine to the point where we can live as long as we want, we can have boats later.

The positive scientific articles and research on reverse aging and cures for diseases are so plentiful that I wouldn't even know where to start selecting them to support my contention for this topic.

I can't help but ask again, how can I get this point across to the masses like my friend? I have come to this forum hoping to read some ideas.

Or others can advance bio-tech and the rich can buy it first. So maybe your friend is not so dumb.

Paradigm wrote:If we all help advance medicine to the point where we can live as long as we want...

How many people do you think this planet can support before they start killing each other?

bobevenson wrote:How many people do you think this planet can support before they start killing each other?

We are already killing eachother, that we have done since dawn of man, wake up!

HexHammer wrote:

bobevenson wrote:How many people do you think this planet can support before they start killing each other?

We are already killing eachother, that we have done since dawn of man, wake up!

I'm talking about mass annihilation due to the overwhelming demand on increasingly-scarce resources, fool. Your so-called biotechnology will be of little help to people who want to live forever, but wind up on the receiving end of desperate neighbors determined to bash their brains out.

bobevenson wrote:I'm talking about mass annihilation due to the overwhelming demand on increasingly-scarce resources, fool. Your so-called biotechnology will be of little help to people who want to live forever, but wind up on the receiving end of desperate neighbors determined to bash their brains out.

How many died in WWI?
How many died in WWII?

..millions upon millions, and for what reason?

We already are in the process of inventing replacements for the scares resorces, so you don't know what you are talking about.

There are 6 billion people on Earth now. When there are 100 billion or maybe a 1,000 billion, the number of people killed will be far greater than all the people killed in all the wars since the beginning of time.

bobevenson wrote:There are 6 billion people on Earth now. When there are 100 billion or maybe a 1,000 billion, the number of people killed will be far greater than all the people killed in all the wars since the beginning of time.

We have had that doomsday scenario since the 70'ies, for some reason there's always some weird thing that makes people stop overproducing babies.

Famine, war, virus, etc.

Specially in the industrial countries career women have way lesser chance of making babies, when women are enlighten and free they usually choose not to have babies or have them very late.

So again you don't know what you are talking about, this overpopulation scenario is a delusion.

HexHammer wrote:

bobevenson wrote:There are 6 billion people on Earth now. When there are 100 billion or maybe a 1,000 billion, the number of people killed will be far greater than all the people killed in all the wars since the beginning of time.

We have had that doomsday scenario since the 70'ies, for some reason there's always some weird thing that makes people stop overproducing babies.

Famine, war, virus, etc.

Specially in the industrial countries career women have way lesser chance of making babies, when women are enlighten and free they usually choose not to have babies or have them very late.

So again you don't know what you are talking about, this overpopulation scenario is a delusion.

God, you're stupid! The population of Earth keeps rising, dope!

The world population is the total number of living humans on Earth. As of today, it is estimated to number 7.14 billion by the United States Census Bureau (USCB). The USCB estimates that the world population exceeded 7 billion on March 12, 2012. According to a separate estimate by the United Nations Population Fund, it reached this milestone on October 31, 2011. The median age was 30.4 years in 2012 and is expected to rise to 37.9 years by 2050.

The world population has continuously grown since the end of the Great Famine and the Black Death in 1350, when it was near 370 million. Fastest growth – global population increases above 1.8% per year –briefly occurred during the 1950s, and longer during the 1960s and 1970s. The growth rate peaked at 2.2% in 1963 and then declined to below 1.1% by 2012. Total annual births were highest in the late 1980s at about 138 million, and are now expected to remain essentially constant at their 2011 level of 134 million, while deaths number 56 million per year, and are expected to increase to 80 million per year by 2040.

The UN projects steadily declining population growth in the near future, with the global population expected to become between 8.3 and 10.9 billion by 2050. UN Population Division estimates for the year 2150 range between 3.2 and 24.8 billion; mathematical modeling supports the lower estimate. Some analysts have questioned the sustainability of further world population growth, highlighting the growing pressures on the environment, global food supplies, and energy resources.
-Wikipedia

bobevenson wrote:The population of Earth keeps rising, dope!

You are glaringly ignorent, and don't comprehend very basic information.

We have technologies to accomendate famine, aquaponic systems can cope with great mass food production, it's just need the infrastructure to distribute it, which most 3rd world countries doesn't have, therefore the population will limit itself.

Imo those doomsday statistics you are presenting are proven wrong all the time, you are too naive and puts blind faith in these unrelyable scriptures, tsk.

HexHammer wrote:

bobevenson wrote:The population of Earth keeps rising, dope!

You are glaringly ignorent, and don't comprehend very basic information.

We have technologies to accomendate famine, aquaponic systems can cope with great mass food production, it's just need the infrastructure to distribute it, which most 3rd world countries doesn't have, therefore the population will limit itself.

Imo those doomsday statistics you are presenting are proven wrong all the time, you are too naive and puts blind faith in these unrelyable scriptures, tsk.

My point, which you utterly fail to comprehend, is that advances in medical technology will be worthless when people can live as long as they want and Earth population growth estimates are hopelessly outdated. Go back to your comic books.

bobevenson wrote:My point, which you utterly fail to comprehend, is that advances in medical technology will be worthless when people can live as long as they want and Earth population growth estimates are hopelessly outdated. Go back to your comic books.

LOL? Don't you think that this kind of science cost a fortune?

Besides China has already introduced 1 child policy, other countries would most likely have something similar, you are acting overly hysterically about some THEORETICAL thing, you are jumping to silly conclousions.

HexHammer wrote:

bobevenson wrote:My point, which you utterly fail to comprehend, is that advances in medical technology will be worthless when people can live as long as they want and Earth population growth estimates are hopelessly outdated. Go back to your comic books.

LOL? Don't you think that this kind of science cost a fortune?

Besides China has already introduced 1 child policy, other countries would most likely have something similar, you are acting overly hysterically about some THEORETICAL thing, you are jumping to silly conclousions.

You apparently don't remember that I was responding to:

Paradigm wrote
If we all help advance medicine to the point where we can live as long as we want...

bobevenson wrote
How many people do you think this planet can support before they start killing each other?

bobevenson wrote:Paradigm wrote
If we all help advance medicine to the point where we can live as long as we want...

bobevenson wrote
How many people do you think this planet can support before they start killing each other?

And you don't remember those are already answerd.

You just don't comprehend the simple answers.

HexHammer wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Paradigm wrote
If we all help advance medicine to the point where we can live as long as we want...

bobevenson wrote
How many people do you think this planet can support before they start killing each other?

And you don't remember those are already answerd.

You just don't comprehend the simple answers.

If AMod will allow, what are the answers you are referring to, or am I supposed to get a crystal ball?