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Ok that was a little derogatory, I am joking, so seriously what time frame would you place on Artificial intelligence that is self aware happening, or would you?

self aware happening is consciousness and consciousness is essentualy nonlocality or never happeness.so to get a time frame reference reqiures never happenedness to be the observer.so self aware happening is in effect not local in local.or meaning in the event which is its self nonlocal.meaning is the nonlocal presents to an event meaning is how ever contaminated by event identity.

Ok well non locality is a metaphysical concept (and physics concept although in this case I am not sure what you mean)and I am not sure what you mean generally too.

well blag im attempting to show that nonlocality pre existed locality and made locality.i believe the brain to be a bridge like machine formed by evolution which gets its consciousness from the pre existing sizeless nonlocal source.so the brain is in effect a bridge between a happening sizelike event and a pre event never happened limitless consciousness.

Unfortunately what you believe and what science can sustain are two different things. You can get banned on some physics forums just for suggesting that the brain is quantum in any way and not without reason, because experimentally it just isn't in any way at all.

According to experiment in Quantum mechanics locality can't even exist in the case of entanglement et al, so it's just insubstantial to comment on it.

Mind you this is a philosophy forum so you can believe what you want, whether it is right or not though is another matter.

yes i see the way your seeing it and dont blame any one for dimissing the idea.but it just happened to be true and black holes prove it.

Oh! Oh! Me! Me!

Man will become sentient on Aug, 32 2017 at 9:33 PM.

Give or take a bit?

jackles wrote:yes i see the way your seeing it and dont blame any one for dimissing the idea.but it just happened to be true and black holes prove it.

What?

I want to see how?

thedoc wrote:Oh! Oh! Me! Me!

Man will become sentient on Aug, 32 2017 at 9:33 PM.

Give or take a bit?

Are you sure you have taken account of DST/BST etc and relativity?

Blaggard wrote:

thedoc wrote:Oh! Oh! Me! Me!

Man will become sentient on Aug, 32 2017 at 9:33 PM.

Give or take a bit?

Are you sure you have taken account of DST/BST etc and relativity?

Oh shit! back to the calculator.

Blaggard wrote:Ok that was a little derogatory, I am joking, so seriously what time frame would you place on Artificial intelligence that is self aware happening, or would you?

I believe we already have rudementary selfawareness, but what most philosophers and scientists are longing for is on a high lvl, where it can be compared to that of primitive animals and in the end that of ourselves and greater.

Imo selfawareness in itself is irrelevant, we have superiror chess machines, and now quizz masters, but the last barrier is that of abstract logic the selflearning aspect.

Blaggard wrote:Ok that was a little derogatory, I am joking, so seriously what time frame would you place on Artificial intelligence that is self aware happening, or would you?

Animal self-awareness took millions of years to achieve, but that was because evolution had no intelligent designer; had to blunder and grope its way to the modern type brain. With the mechanics in place, the intelligence built in, consciousness shouldn't take very long to develop. The kind we have is a product of connections - lots and lots of connections - so I quite like Robert Sawyer's notion that AI will happen in the internet. Any minute now. In fact, we can't be sure it hasn't already.

HexHammer wrote:

Blaggard wrote:Ok that was a little derogatory, I am joking, so seriously what time frame would you place on Artificial intelligence that is self aware happening, or would you?

I believe we already have rudementary selfawareness, but what most philosophers and scientists are longing for is on a high lvl, where it can be compared to that of primitive animals and in the end that of ourselves and greater.

Imo selfawareness in itself is irrelevant, we have superiror chess machines, and now quizz masters, but the last barrier is that of abstract logic the selflearning aspect.

There are AI Quizmasters?

Blaggard wrote:There are AI Quizmasters?

Yes, and then not, it can hardly perform a simple conversation, but it has a massive storage of answers and can scan wiki sites for answers.
Besides it got some simple answers wrong, so it's not there yet. Imo it's still only simple awareness.

Ok, firstly I think i'm wading into deep waters but given my barely rudimentary knowledge of established philosophical lines of thought - however as the threat starts - basically you've started from the idea that the principal concept of "consciousness" is "nonlocality" - OK that's shop talk in this field I guess from what I looked up, and a rather common way of expressing what I would say is simply that "consciousness" (in us) cannot be understood fully as simply a collection of the physical process of our biological selves. I'm not sure that calling it "nonlocal" isn't just a really abstract way of realizing that in some things in existence, the simple components of something come together in such a way that it adds layers of complexity and depth - personally I don't need it to come from outside of reality itself. For my own part I don't think I'm "conscious" because there's something unexplainable about it - it's just that in the higher organizations of reality for me, looking at each component can't begin to appreciate the whole when it's arranged in a certain way. I'm not sure it's an even use of the terms non-locality and locality between metaphysics and quantum physics. Though both DO share a certain simple truth that there are limits to the way we can truly know anything with full certainty.

So I guess while when it comes to using quantum physics as a way to prove concretely that the physical arrangement of a computer system cannot become conscious, I might hafta side with blaggard on much more general interpretations of the ideas. If the brain and our nervous system came together to produce our consciousness - what ever the source - I can't rule out the possibility of highly complex organized communication and information processing systems (meaning A.I. programs) reaching that level...call me less versed or that I like to keep concepts free of technical clutter, but in many things in existence the old adage stays true - the whole is more than the sum of it's parts. My last thought is for Hex, and though I enjoy my consciousness, I would certainly not call our human experience of reality that far past simple awareness itself, but awareness does expand itself (hopefully) once achieved I'd expect the only question is at what rate and to what purpose....