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is the soup of existance with locality indistinguishable from its nonlocal source.in other words are cause an effect indistinguishable so being in its self has indistinguishability the same as photons do.so there is only one indistinguishable being.consciousness being indestinguishable from the event taking place in it.

Does anybody have even the slightest idea what this thread is about? If so, could you please translate it into plain English?

jackles wrote:is the soup of existance with locality indistinguishable from its nonlocal source.in other words are cause an effect indistinguishable so being in its self has indistinguishability the same as photons do.so there is only one indistinguishable being.consciousness being indestinguishable from the event taking place in it.

I would suggest that the local and the non-local, as well as the cause and effect can be a continuum in that the transition might be indistinguishable. However if you were to step back it would be easy to see which is which but the transition might be a problem.

bobevenson wrote:Does anybody have even the slightest idea what this thread is about? If so, could you please translate it into plain English?

I found the best translation long ago, "add foe" works like a charm.

HexHammer wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Does anybody have even the slightest idea what this thread is about? If so, could you please translate it into plain English?

I found the best translation long ago, "add foe" works like a charm.

But then Bob wouldn't have anyone to rant at.

thedoc wrote:But then Bob wouldn't have anyone to rant at.

I'm sure he'll find a way!

indistinguishability is i am afraid indistinguishable.so its impossible to understand in the normal way.if you can imagine you are nothing and another persons nothing is the exact same as your nothing.so they the nothings are indistinguishable.one photon is the same as a nother photon in the exact same indistinguishable way.so a photon comes from nothing the whole thing photon and nothing is the same in an indistinguishable way.or as seen in terms of indistinguishablity all is the same.i know a photon originates from an electron but they the electrons are also indistingishable if they are the same type.so the soup of existance is made of indistinguishable things and is caused by an indistinguishable thing which is no thing.so the indisinguishability of nothing is omni presents or indistinguishablity of somthing .say for example an electron.

jackles wrote:indistinguishability is i am afraid indistinguishable.so its impossible to understand in the normal way.if you can imagine you are nothing and another persons nothing is the exact same as your nothing.so they the nothings are indistinguishable.one photon is the same as a nother photon in the exact same indistinguishable way.so a photon comes from nothing the whole thing photon and nothing is the same in an indistinguishable way.or as seen in terms of indistinguishablity all is the same.i know a photon originates from an electron but they the electrons are also indistingishable if they are the same type.so the soup of existance is made of indistinguishable things and is caused by an indistinguishable thing which is no thing.so the indisinguishability of nothing is omni presents or indistinguishablity of somthing .say for example an electron.

The individual components may be identical and indistinguishable from other individual components, but the assembly may end up being very different. If one atom has 12 each of electrons, protons, and neutrons, it will be quite different from an atom that has 7 of each, even though the individual components are the same.

the point is the components are not just the same as in similar .they are indistingishable across time and space .time and space which are indistinguishable in them selves so theres always the exact same time and the exact same space.indistinction is the common denominator inside and outside the event.is an atom an event.

thedoc wrote:

jackles wrote:indistinguishability is i am afraid indistinguishable.so its impossible to understand in the normal way.if you can imagine you are nothing and another persons nothing is the exact same as your nothing.so they the nothings are indistinguishable.one photon is the same as a nother photon in the exact same indistinguishable way.so a photon comes from nothing the whole thing photon and nothing is the same in an indistinguishable way.or as seen in terms of indistinguishablity all is the same.i know a photon originates from an electron but they the electrons are also indistingishable if they are the same type.so the soup of existance is made of indistinguishable things and is caused by an indistinguishable thing which is no thing.so the indisinguishability of nothing is omni presents or indistinguishablity of somthing .say for example an electron.

The individual components may be identical and indistinguishable from other individual components, but the assembly may end up being very different. If one atom has 12 each of electrons, protons, and neutrons, it will be quite different from an atom that has 7 of each, even though the individual components are the same.

You know, Doc, you do a hell of a good impersonation of somebody who actually understands what Jackles is talking about and is able to carry on a meaningless discussion of it.

jackles,

My 'components' may the same as yours, but the 'structure' those components form (me) is distinct, discrete, and most certainly not the same as you.

I say 'structure' (and what extends out from 'structure') trumps 'components'.

jackles wrote:the point is the components are not just the same as in similar .they are indistingishable across time and space .time and space which are indistinguishable in them selves so theres always the exact same time and the exact same space.indistinction is the common denominator inside and outside the event.is an atom an event.

Is an atom an event? That is a good question and one worth contemplating. At the most basic level an atom is always in some kind of motion, even if the atom itself is stationary, (something we can never know for sure) the individual components are in motion, so in that sense an atom is an event, since an event is something that is happening. If an atom came to absolute rest, and all the components also came to rest, the atom would cease to exist. Light (photons in motion) is always in motion, an event, light that is brought to rest is no longer light, it becomes something else, it is no longer the same event. All photons of the same frequency may be indistinguishable, but they originated from different objects and are traveling on different trajectories, they are different events. One second may be the same as the next, but seconds occur in sequence, so the 'when' of each event is now different. .

the when is only relative to another when.time is indistinguisable to any event.the time now is the exact same time that the big bang came about in.the event changes but the times the same .its indistinguishable time.its locality that gives the illusion of time passing.time is nonlocality .so time seems to pass for an observer in locality but its just an effect of locality on nonlocality.regs jackles

jackles wrote:the when is only relative to another when.time is indistinguisable to any event.the time now is the exact same time that the big bang came about in.the event changes but the times the same .its indistinguishable time.its locality that gives the illusion of time passing.time is nonlocality .so time seems to pass for an observer in locality but its just an effect of locality on nonlocality.regs jackles

Each moment of time may be indistinguishable from another moment of time, but the events of each moment make it different than the next. Time has no meaning without events, so if there is nothing happening, time is a meaningless, nonexistent concept, indistinguishable from the other nonexistent moments of time.

It may be possible to have indistinguishable space times (plural), but I don't think it is correct to say that space and time are indistinguishable (singular).