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Intelligence in the sense "IQ"?
You can mix it wit some "EQ" or whatever, but I think you know what I mean - the medicine man, the guy who is best in class, the one in your department you ask when things gets tricky. As opposed to the Alpha male, the guy with the right looks, guy with the right family background, the self confidence. You see. Of course, the guy can have any gender or race.

You can have different opinions on this, but just straight - where does it pay off? In which country, culture? Now or in an earlier epoch. And when I say pay off I mean hard cash, but you might fiddle around with that.

Wrong section.

Ansiktsburk wrote:Intelligence in the sense "IQ"?
You can mix it wit some "EQ" or whatever, but I think you know what I mean - the medicine man, the guy who is best in class, the one in your department you ask when things gets tricky. As opposed to the Alpha male, the guy with the right looks, guy with the right family background, the self confidence. You see. Of course, the guy can have any gender or race.

You can have different opinions on this, but just straight - where does it pay off? In which country, culture? Now or in an earlier epoch. And when I say pay off I mean hard cash, but you might fiddle around with that.

Willie Sutton, infamous American bank robber, made far more money than any Nobel Prize winner. Criminal activity always trumps intelligence.

bobevenson wrote:

Ansiktsburk wrote:Intelligence in the sense "IQ"?
You can mix it wit some "EQ" or whatever, but I think you know what I mean - the medicine man, the guy who is best in class, the one in your department you ask when things gets tricky. As opposed to the Alpha male, the guy with the right looks, guy with the right family background, the self confidence. You see. Of course, the guy can have any gender or race.

You can have different opinions on this, but just straight - where does it pay off? In which country, culture? Now or in an earlier epoch. And when I say pay off I mean hard cash, but you might fiddle around with that.

Willie Sutton, infamous American bank robber, made far more money than any Nobel Prize winner. Criminal activity always trumps intelligence.

He didn't "make money" he stole the money that the smart people printed. The smart people just printed some more.

Brit Dems wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

Ansiktsburk wrote:Intelligence in the sense "IQ"?
You can mix it wit some "EQ" or whatever, but I think you know what I mean - the medicine man, the guy who is best in class, the one in your department you ask when things gets tricky. As opposed to the Alpha male, the guy with the right looks, guy with the right family background, the self confidence. You see. Of course, the guy can have any gender or race.

You can have different opinions on this, but just straight - where does it pay off? In which country, culture? Now or in an earlier epoch. And when I say pay off I mean hard cash, but you might fiddle around with that.

Willie Sutton, infamous American bank robber, made far more money than any Nobel Prize winner. Criminal activity always trumps intelligence.

He didn't "make money" he stole the money that the smart people printed. The smart people just printed some more.

Only if they don't get caught.
Several years ago I was peripherally involved in a murder case, and in a conversation with one of the officers he remarked that "We don't usually catch the smart ones."

Brit Dems wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

Ansiktsburk wrote:Intelligence in the sense "IQ"?
You can mix it wit some "EQ" or whatever, but I think you know what I mean - the medicine man, the guy who is best in class, the one in your department you ask when things gets tricky. As opposed to the Alpha male, the guy with the right looks, guy with the right family background, the self confidence. You see. Of course, the guy can have any gender or race.

You can have different opinions on this, but just straight - where does it pay off? In which country, culture? Now or in an earlier epoch. And when I say pay off I mean hard cash, but you might fiddle around with that.

Willie Sutton, infamous American bank robber, made far more money than any Nobel Prize winner. Criminal activity always trumps intelligence.

He didn't "make money" he stole the money.

The man didn't say anything about making money, he wanted to know where intelligence pays off in hard cash, and he didn't say legal or illegal, so go stuff it, my friend.

The Voice of Time wrote:Wrong section.

Is it that far-fetced, that a community should reward intelligence?

Ansiktsburk wrote:

The Voice of Time wrote:Wrong section.

Is it that far-fetced, that a community should reward intelligence?

Are you suggesting that people who do productive work should give money to people who have a high IQ but don't do any work at all?

Maybe, in a state where intelligence is appreciated even in children from a humble background, the smart robber would not become a robber.

One thing, the country I live in don't charge any fees for the universities, eligibility is purely based on grades from the school level before university (gymnasiet). That said, of course a working-class kid as bright as a equally bright kid with academics as parents don't have the same chances. To a university degree. So robbing banks might still be a good option.

Ansiktsburk wrote:Maybe, in a state where intelligence is appreciated even in children from a humble background, the smart robber would not become a robber.

One thing, the country I live in don't charge any fees for the universities, eligibility is purely based on grades from the school level before university (gymnasiet). That said, of course a working-class kid as bright as a equally bright kid with academics as parents don't have the same chances. To a university degree. So robbing banks might still be a good option.

Antisocial behavior leads to a breakdown of society and is never a good option.

bobevenson wrote:

Ansiktsburk wrote:

The Voice of Time wrote:Wrong section.

Is it that far-fetced, that a community should reward intelligence?

Are you suggesting that people who do productive work should give money to people who have a high IQ but don't do any work at all?

Well, we do give money to people that are potentially stupid, doing nothing, born in the right family - The so-called idle rich. Is that better...?
Well, to answer, you might look upon it quite the opposite, really. That the achievements of highly intelligent people has contributed to society quite substantially.

Ansiktsburk wrote:That the achievements of highly intelligent people has contributed to society quite substantially.

The marketplace will decide that unless you're a dyed-in-the-wool socialist, which you obviously are.

bobevenson wrote:

Ansiktsburk wrote:That the achievements of highly intelligent people has contributed to society quite substantially.

The marketplace will decide that unless you're a dyed-in-the-wool socialist, which you obviously are.

Neither socialist nor capitalist, I would say.
I look at the mean lifetime of mankind, especially in the western countries. Which is substantially higher now than it was, one a couple of hundred years ago. Knowledge and understanding built that.

The marketplace was a driver, but not the only one. War, moon traveling, state funded research, the academic community. But ok, I give you that - nearly all great philosophers came from wealthy families, and Newton, Einstein, Darwin... There is a point in giving people time to think. Which the wealthy ones had. Now kids from humbler backgrounds gets a chance to shine, to think. No harm in that, right?

bobevenson wrote:

Ansiktsburk wrote:

The Voice of Time wrote:Wrong section.

Is it that far-fetced, that a community should reward intelligence?

Are you suggesting that people who do productive work should give money to people who have a high IQ but don't do any work at all?

Lol, should start practising for an official high IQ score then x) Live the rest of my life off my "low IQ minions".

Ansiktsburk wrote:

The Voice of Time wrote:Wrong section.

Is it that far-fetced, that a community should reward intelligence?

Yes.

The community is not interested in intelligence.

The community is interested in applied intelligence.

If you are stupid and you do something stupid that results in a community perceived benefit you will be laughed at, praised then rewarded.