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Gravity and time are not of them selves items.they are made items from somthing more origonal.they are caused by somthing being in nothing.they are nothing causing the movement of somthing.they are intigrated parts of the moving of something. Nothing is sizeless but moves something in the sizelike ways of gravity + time .thats the way i see it.how about you.n

GRT: mass + speed -- -- > gravity (space & time)

Im not with you there.can you elaborate.elaborate please.extrapolate if you will.

jackles wrote:Im not with you there.can you elaborate.elaborate please.extrapolate if you will.

GRT - Essence:
Newton thought the Earth- gravity space and the Earth-gravity time
are absolute independent conceptions.
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Einstein showed that the Earth- gravity space and the Earth-gravity time
are relative conceptions. The Earth- gravity space and the Earth-gravity time
are dependent on its mass and speed. If the mass and speed of our Earth
were different then our Earth space and Earth time would be another.
Israel Socratus

Do you mean gravity + momentum.equals a generalised frame of referance.

Einstein showed ( GRT) that some kind of moving mass
can create reference frame of gravity space and time

Yes i see .but is energy altering some pre existing state to give that refrence frame.by reference frame you mean .speed of light .so the presents of energy is warping time space to a frame of referance relative to the constant.but did not the presents of energy cause the time space in the first place.presuming the state prior to the big bang was a sizeless one.

jackles wrote:Yes i see .but is energy altering some pre existing state to give that refrence frame.by reference frame you mean .speed of light .so the presents of energy is warping time space to a frame of referance relative to the constant.but did not the presents of energy cause the time space in the first place.presuming the state prior to the big bang was a sizeless one.

GRT foggy says about energy therefore I like your
*but is energy altering some pre existing state to give that reference frame.*
. . . . . . ?

Could there have been a dorment sizeless state of existance before energy existed.with a package of physics comming in to being.so the size like physics of the big bang is the effect as it where of action in the dormant nonlocality.so action in the dorment nonlocal state equals time space gravity location.hope you get my drift.so we are then in as observers in the quantum machanical side or action side of a dormant nonlocality.

jackles wrote:Could there have been a dorment sizeless state of existance before energy existed.with a package of physics comming in to being.so the size like physics of the big bang is the effect as it where of action in the dormant nonlocality.so action in the dorment nonlocal state equals time space gravity location.hope you get my drift.so we are then in as observers in the quantum machanical side or action side of a dormant nonlocality.

Could there have been a dormant size less state of existence
before energy existed.
jackles

Before energy, mass, particles, action existed must be some reference frame

No matter what your reference frame you as an observer can think of your self as being stationary while every other observer is moving.this view may not seem obvious .when you drive you probably dont think of your car as stationary while the countryside whizzes past.quoted from science matters

jackles wrote:No matter what your reference frame you as an observer can think of your self as being stationary while every other observer is moving.this view may not seem obvious .when you drive you probably dont think of your car as stationary while the countryside whizzes past.quoted from science matters

Herman Minkowski:
“ Henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself,
are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will
preserve an independent reality.”

. . . . in which reference frame do you drive your car ?