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Prayers.a scincere prayer comes strate from the awarness of the localised beings consciousness.in to the being of nonlocality where all scincere emotions origonate.a prayer from a being in a happening local state finds its home in the nonlocal never happen state.where happening outcomes can be altered away from 50-50 out comes.

Research has demonstrated that prayer does not alter events. For instance, it doesn't matter how many people pray for somebody in critical condition in a hospital. Their prayers will go for naught.

Research= doubt.

jackles wrote:Research= doubt.

Prayer = diligent duplicity.

Perhaps you've mistaken the meaning of "prayer."

If you suppose it means, "manipulation of the Deity in order to achieve what I presently consider to be the desirable outcome," then of course it doesn't "work" -- but maybe that says less about prayer itself than about our expectations.

Ask yourself is "prayer" is any different from "witchcraft." For the goal of the shaman, witch or necromancer is to take human control of supernatural forces.

Is "prayer" the same? If it were, why would God deplore the latter and require the former?

In prayer, it is important to keep in mind who is the "Supreme" being. The famous "Lord's Prayer" does not say, "My will be done," but "Thy will be done." Ask yourself what difference that makes.

Yes prayer is i believe as you describe it.from a pureness of innocents.but i was trying to put that in terms of quantum mechanics.in doing so it lost something which you correctly saw was missing.

If there's anything to prayer, it has to be this: one doesn't pray in order to tell the Supreme Being how things must be done. One prays to harmonize one's own situation and disposition with the purposes and intentions of the Supreme Being. The fact of His being Supreme always remains primary.

That being said, the idea that a being who is Supreme in the universe has any interest in our communications has to be viewed as a startling claim. Yet I would suggest it is true.

Well imanuel i have to agree one hundred percent with that.

Prayer is just another scam
By spiritual misfits like Billy Graham.

I wouldnt diffine billy graham as a miss fit.i think he fitted the time and place well.

Any facts to show you want to offer there, bob, or just a mud pie you want to throw?

bobevenson wrote:Research has demonstrated that prayer does not alter events. For instance, it doesn't matter how many people pray for somebody in critical condition in a hospital. Their prayers will go for naught.

The last study showed that those preyed for suffered more.

jackles wrote:Research= doubt.

And doubt leads to truth.

Immanuel Can wrote:Perhaps you've mistaken the meaning of "prayer."

If you suppose it means, "manipulation of the Deity in order to achieve what I presently consider to be the desirable outcome," then of course it doesn't "work" -- but maybe that says less about prayer itself than about our expectations.

Ask yourself is "prayer" is any different from "witchcraft." For the goal of the shaman, witch or necromancer is to take human control of supernatural forces.

Is "prayer" the same? If it were, why would God deplore the latter and require the former?

In prayer, it is important to keep in mind who is the "Supreme" being. The famous "Lord's Prayer" does not say, "My will be done," but "Thy will be done." Ask yourself what difference that makes.

I don't think anyone here has misunderstood prayer.
Surely it is the empty verbiage of the ever hopeful and sadly mistaken.
It is the bleat of the masses, powerless and pleading for the impossible.

Why would 'thy will be done', be meaningful to a god?

Immanuel Can wrote:Any facts to show you want to offer there, bob, or just a mud pie you want to throw?

I rarely make statements I can't back up, my friend, and in the case of Billy Graham, he still writes a newspaper column called "My Answer." That guy is in such poor physical shape, he couldn't write a column if it bought him a ticket to heaven. One of his cronies writes it, and if that's not a scam, I don't know what is.