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"The political perversion of the criminal justice system began early and at the top, with the President of the United States. Unlike other public officials who decline to comment on criminal cases that have not yet been tried in court, Barack Obama chose to say, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon."http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowel ... eVKJCinbD0

I'm amazed at how frequently the "corrupt politician" dimension of Obama's character trumps the "ethical lawyer" and the "Presidential Office" dimensions. It is telling, I think, that Obama never really practiced law, never even tried a case before a jury.

I'll be long dead but I predict that within fifty years after Obama is out of office, a consensus of dispassionate scholars will opine that, as President, Obama was corrupt and incompetent.

And now his Attorney General is basically saying the Zimmerman jury was incompetent and can go to hell.

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I don't think the criminal justice system was perverse in this case.


The criminal justice system worked exactly as it should.



That is the shocking part.




Travon was guilty of being black in America.



He was prosecuted time & time again...even before he walked into the courtroom.

If you're a lefty, you cheer for Martin, and if you're a righty, you cheer for Zimmerman. If you rely on facts and reason, you'll find yourself standing alone.

bobevenson wrote:And now his Attorney General is basically saying the Zimmerman jury was incompetent and can go to hell.

they are incompetent

they agreed that zimmerman should not have confronted martin

to claim after that that he is not guilty makes no sense - since zimmerman started the sequence of events that resulted in martin's death

if some butt-ugly creepy fat fuck came at me late at night and demanded to know what i was doing i would have kicked him in the nuts and run

but maybe martin spotted the gun and decided that since he cannot outrun a bullet he has to make sure that the butt-ugly fat fuck does not get a chance to fire it - running would have been a better option - its difficult to hit a running target with a handgun

Bill Wiltrack wrote:Travon was guilty of being black in America. He was prosecuted time & time again...even before he walked into the courtroom.

I don't remember Travon walking into the courtroom. Why was Zimmerman there?

Kayla wrote:

bobevenson wrote:And now his Attorney General is basically saying the Zimmerman jury was incompetent and can go to hell.

they are incompetent they agreed that zimmerman should not have confronted martin to claim after that that he is not guilty makes no sense - since zimmerman started the sequence of events that resulted in martin's death

You sure seem to know a lot about the case. How much of it did you actually see compared to the jurors?

tbieter wrote:"The political perversion of the criminal justice system began early and at the top, with the President of the United States. Unlike other public officials who decline to comment on criminal cases that have not yet been tried in court, Barack Obama chose to say, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon."http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowel ... eVKJCinbD0

I'm amazed at how frequently the "corrupt politician" dimension of Obama's character trumps the "ethical lawyer" and the "Presidential Office" dimensions. It is telling, I think, that Obama never really practiced law, never even tried a case before a jury.

I'll be long dead but I predict that within fifty years after Obama is out of office, a consensus of dispassionate scholars will opine that, as President, Obama was corrupt and incompetent.

Here is another recent article which casts serious doubt upon Obama's actions as a lawyer:
"WASHINGTON -- When President Barack Obama proclaimed that those who commit sexual assault in the military should be "prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court-martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged," it had an effect he did not intend: roiling legal cases across the country. One could argue that this statement suggests that Obama certainly is lacking in the virtue of prudence. Or that he is really an incompetent or irresponsible lawyer (relative to an executive position).

In at least a dozen sexual assault cases since the president's remarks at the White House in May, judges and defense lawyers have said Obama's words as commander in chief amounted to "unlawful command influence," tainting trials as a result. Military law experts said those cases were only the beginning and that the president's remarks were certain to complicate almost all continuing prosecutions for sexual assault.

"Unlawful command influence" refers to actions of commanders that could be interpreted by jurors as an attempt to influence a court-martial, in effect ordering a specific outcome. Obama, as commander in chief of the armed forces, is considered the most powerful person to wield such influence. The president's remarks might have seemed innocuous to civilians, but military law experts say defense lawyers will seize on the president's call for an automatic dishonorable discharge, the most severe discharge available in a court-martial, arguing that his words will affect their cases.

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In his comments on sexual assault, Obama said, "I expect consequences." He added: "So I don't just want more speeches or awareness programs or training, but ultimately, folks look the other way. If we find out that somebody's engaging in this, they've got to be held accountable." (Emphasis added)
http://www.twincities.com/ci_23656487/o ... cities.com

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/16/t ... -a-madman/

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But you know what I never worried about? That if I defended myself, he would have an excuse to shoot me dead and that cops would shrug it off and not bother to contact my family.

I never worried that if he caught up with me, any hitting or kicking to get away would be used as evidence that he was in his rights to murder me.

That’s because I’m a white woman, and if a man chased me down and shot me dead, a few scratches on his face would probably be seen as evidence that he was really determined to hurt or kill me, not that he was acting in “self-defense”.

so military commanders should not state that rapists should be court-martialed and expelled from the military?

using your reasoning they should not even mention that military personnel are supposed to obey the law, because that statement necessarily implies the previous statement

Trayvon should have walked away and not gotten into a fight and pounded George's head on the concrete sidewalk.

so a crazy fat fuck comes at you and grabs you demanding to know what you are doing minding your own business, and the crazy fuck has a gun?

the only options at this point are either running away and hoping his aim is not too good, or hurting him so bad that he cannot use that gun

you would just casually walk away in this situation?

Kayla wrote:so military commanders should not state that rapists should be court-martialed and expelled from the military?

using your reasoning they should not even mention that military personnel are supposed to obey the law, because that statement necessarily implies the previous statement

The Commander in Chief should speak publicly PRUDENTLY. Obama's statrment was lmprudent.

Bill Wiltrack wrote: I don't think the criminal justice system was perverse in this case.
The criminal justice system worked exactly as it should.
That is the shocking part.
Travon was guilty of being black in America.
He was prosecuted time & time again...even before he walked into the courtroom.

What's the damning evidence against Zimmerman? The prosecuting team didn't seem to come up with much that was convincing.