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The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:35 pm
by Bill Wiltrack
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The Philosophical Immaturity of the interpretations of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1


Book of Revelation/Archive 1





Here is the heart and essence of this very formatory and fundamental position:

"It is not enough to merely recognize and hate evil: fear not the tribulation of Satan; fight evil wherever you find it, and do not allow it to flourish; contain evil and overcome it with perseverance and commitment to good."

I at once challenge and dismiss the position above by introducing philosophy and self-consciousness.





Here is a more usable, more philosophically friendly revision of that position above:

"It is enough to recognize and accept the negative aspects within our reality: they are a necessary part of us; our reality. fear not positive, negative, or neutral aspects of life; recognize & accept the negative aspect of reality wherever we find it, and allow it to flow through us; accept the what we perceive to be the temporarily transforming negative aspects of our reality and embrace it with consciousness and commitment to increasing self-consciousness."





Observing life, in it's entirety, is perhaps the most important thing we can do as philosophers.


Observing, without the filter of our immediate emotional prejudice allows us to see ourselves and our forever changing surroundings.



Surroundings that at one moment could be considered positive, negative, or neutral in their aspect and then, in the next moment, can be considered another aspect. Indeed, we may consider one aspect either positive, negative, or neutral within the same moment, depending upon or perspective.

This, in it's entirety makes-up the ever changing illusion that Socrates describes as the forever changing images upon the wall of the cave.



Perhaps one day, when we are able to be sufficiently objective to ourselves & our surroundings can we possibly see, what Socrates described as, the true form of reality.


Seeing this true form of reality, again according to Socrates, is the reason for philosophy; the reason for philosophers.

The Allegory of the Caveis an attempt to explain the philosopher's place in society: to attempt to enlighten the "prisoners.





From Wikipedia:

The Allegory of the Cave—also known as the Analogy of the Cave, Plato's Cave, or the Parable of the Cave—is an allegory presented by the Greek philosopher Plato in his work The Republic to illustrate "our nature in its education and want of education" (514a). It is written as a dialogue between Plato's brother Glaucon and Plato's mentor Socrates, narrated by the latter at the beginning of Book VII (514a–520a). The Allegory of the Cave is presented after the metaphor of the sun (508b–509c) and the analogy of the divided line (509d–513e). All three are characterized in relation to dialectic at the end of Book VII and VIII (531d–534e).


Plato
has Socrates describe a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to ascribe forms to these shadows. According to Plato's Socrates, the shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners.


The Allegory may be related to Plato's Theory of Forms, according to which the "Forms" (or "Ideas"), and not the material world of change known to us through sensation, possess the highest and most fundamental kind of reality. Only knowledge of the Forms constitutes real knowledge.[1] In addition, the Allegory of the Cave is an attempt to explain the philosopher's place in society: to attempt to enlighten the "prisoners."



Plato's Phaedo contains similar imagery to that of the Allegory of the Cave; a philosopher recognizes that before philosophy, his soul was "a veritable prisoner fast bound within his body... and that instead of investigating reality by itself and in itself it is compelled to peer through the bars of its prison."







My thesis for this thread: The Immaturity of the perception of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1 estranges this ancient school of thought to the out most limits of emotional reason. The the Book of Revelation/Archive 1 is not worthy to be considered a legitimate philosophical school of thought.







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Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:54 pm
by bobevenson
"It is not enough to merely recognize and hate evil: fear not the tribulation of Satan; fight evil wherever you find it, and do not allow it to flourish; contain evil and overcome it with perseverance and commitment to good."

The above statement is God's unified message to mankind thru the testimony of Jesus Christ to the seven churches (the seven continents of the world). If you add up the names of the seven churches in English gematria simplex (A=1 to Z= 26), which represent the seven continents of the world from a spiritual standpoint, and subtract out "the seven continents of the world" from a physical standpoint, you are left with the spiritual essence of "Robert Merlin Evenson."

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:06 am
by mtmynd1
bobevenson wrote: "... God's unified message to mankind thru the testimony of Jesus Christ to the seven churches (the seven continents of the world)."
There is no proof that the man from Galilee knew there seven continents of the world. It is your belief and one you are using as a crutch to aid in upholding this belief. Walk on your own two feet, bobevenson, and get off the drugs your conveniently call 'revelations.'

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:53 pm
by Ginkgo
bobevenson wrote:"It is not enough to merely recognize and hate evil: fear not the tribulation of Satan; fight evil wherever you find it, and do not allow it to flourish; contain evil and overcome it with perseverance and commitment to good."

The above statement is God's unified message to mankind thru the testimony of Jesus Christ to the seven churches (the seven continents of the world). If you add up the names of the seven churches in English gematria simplex (A=1 to Z= 26), which represent the seven continents of the world from a spiritual standpoint, and subtract out "the seven continents of the world" from a physical standpoint, you are left with the spiritual essence of "Robert Merlin Evenson."

Does this means that socialist institutions are the personification of evil in the world and the only way to fight this evil is through the free market economic system?

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:12 pm
by bobevenson
mtmynd1 wrote:
bobevenson wrote: "... God's unified message to mankind thru the testimony of Jesus Christ to the seven churches (the seven continents of the world)."
There is no proof that the man from Galilee knew there seven continents of the world. It is your belief and one you are using as a crutch to aid in upholding this belief. Walk on your own two feet, bobevenson, and get off the drugs your conveniently call 'revelations.'
The book of Revelation is allegorical, my friend, and was written in Greek by John on the isle of Patmos. I, Bob the Baptist, was divinely inspired to interpret the KJV translation of this book.

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:20 pm
by bobevenson
Ginkgo wrote:
bobevenson wrote:"It is not enough to merely recognize and hate evil: fear not the tribulation of Satan; fight evil wherever you find it, and do not allow it to flourish; contain evil and overcome it with perseverance and commitment to good."

The above statement is God's unified message to mankind thru the testimony of Jesus Christ to the seven churches (the seven continents of the world). If you add up the names of the seven churches in English gematria simplex (A=1 to Z= 26), which represent the seven continents of the world from a spiritual standpoint, and subtract out "the seven continents of the world" from a physical standpoint, you are left with the spiritual essence of "Robert Merlin Evenson."
Does this means that socialist institutions are the personification of evil in the world and the only way to fight this evil is through the free market economic system?
The evil that lurks in the minds of men is manifested in the collective evil of the beast. Understand the man and you cannot be deceived by his institutions. The pathway of evil in every society flows through an institutional grid of religious, cultural and social values.

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:24 pm
by Ginkgo
bobevenson wrote:
Ginkgo wrote:
bobevenson wrote:"It is not enough to merely recognize and hate evil: fear not the tribulation of Satan; fight evil wherever you find it, and do not allow it to flourish; contain evil and overcome it with perseverance and commitment to good."

The above statement is God's unified message to mankind thru the testimony of Jesus Christ to the seven churches (the seven continents of the world). If you add up the names of the seven churches in English gematria simplex (A=1 to Z= 26), which represent the seven continents of the world from a spiritual standpoint, and subtract out "the seven continents of the world" from a physical standpoint, you are left with the spiritual essence of "Robert Merlin Evenson."
Does this means that socialist institutions are the personification of evil in the world and the only way to fight this evil is through the free market economic system?
The evil that lurks in the minds of men is manifested in the collective evil of the beast. Understand the man and you cannot be deceived by his institutions. The pathway of evil in every society flows through an institutional grid of religious, cultural and social values.

But what about the free market economic system as a means of fighting it?

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:20 pm
by bobevenson
Ginkgo wrote:But what about the free market economic system as a means of fighting evil?
The only proper economic system is free-market capitalism; the struggle between good and evil can never be won, but only lost when Satan allegorically casts a third of the stars out of heaven (Rev. 12:4) in the form of the Ouzo Cross (see "The Ouzo Prophecy" at http://church-of-ouzo.com/pdf/ouzo-prophecy.pdf).

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:26 pm
by Ginkgo
bobevenson wrote:
Ginkgo wrote:But what about the free market economic system as a means of fighting evil?
The only proper economic system is free-market capitalism; the struggle between good and evil can never be won, but only lost when Satan allegorically casts a third of the stars out of heaven (Rev. 12:4) in the form of the Ouzo Cross (see "The Ouzo Prophecy" at http://church-of-ouzo.com/pdf/ouzo-prophecy.pdf).

Is it Bob the prophet or Bob the politician advocating the free market system?

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:34 pm
by bobevenson
Ginkgo wrote:
bobevenson wrote:
Ginkgo wrote:But what about the free market economic system as a means of fighting evil?
The only proper economic system is free-market capitalism; the struggle between good and evil can never be won, but only lost when Satan allegorically casts a third of the stars out of heaven (Rev. 12:4) in the form of the Ouzo Cross (see "The Ouzo Prophecy" at http://church-of-ouzo.com/pdf/ouzo-prophecy.pdf).

Is it Bob the prophet or Bob the politician advocating the free market system?
I am a divinely-inspired prophet on all things spiritual, political or economic.

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:48 pm
by Ginkgo
bobevenson wrote: I am a divinely-inspired prophet on all things spiritual, political or economic.
On this basis then we can say that in spiritual matters you speak in allegorical terms, but in political and economic terms you are actual.

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:58 pm
by bobevenson
Ginkgo wrote:
bobevenson wrote: I am a divinely-inspired prophet on all things spiritual, political or economic.
On this basis then we can say that in spiritual matters you speak in allegorical terms, but in political and economic terms you are actual.
The book of Revelation and "The Ouzo Prophecy" use allegories to help explain the spiritual, but are not necessary in explaining the political and economic.

Re: The Immaturity of the Book of Revelation/Archive 1

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:02 pm
by Ginkgo
bobevenson wrote:
Ginkgo wrote:
bobevenson wrote: I am a divinely-inspired prophet on all things spiritual, political or economic.
On this basis then we can say that in spiritual matters you speak in allegorical terms, but in political and economic terms you are actual.
The book of Revelation and "The Ouzo Prophecy" use allegories to help explain the spiritual, but are not necessary in explaining the political and economic.

Yes, I would say that would have to be the case.