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There are collections of statements which are antithetical to civilized modern society. These facts are not therefore false on account of being widely offensive.

It is the goal of the vast mainstream of parents in a population to construct a safe bubble universe for the purposes of raising their children. This bubble should be a safe, crime-free, neighborhood; "a nice place to raise kids." Safety extends to censorship of material that is dangerous to children's healthy development. This network of safety is extended to the elementrary schools.

These goals of the protection of children follow from an environment that is carefully controlled by a "nanny"; usually a woman in her middle ages assuming an authoritative role. But this motivation to protect children should not extend its reach into spheres of life including the destruction of pornography shops (such as those in rural Kentucky) or the criminalization and/or destruction of adult entertainment clubs (stripper clubs) nor to the criminalization of prostitution.

The minds and psychology of men do not need to be under the control and surveillance of nanny acting as a Moral Master. The primary motivation of these moral nannies is not towards the protection of women. The primary motivation is to survey, corall, isolate, and ultimately control male sexuality. Therefore the censorship and destruction of pornography is to deny a man's ability at self-discovery. In short, it is mind control. This mind control is to the end of reinforcing a romantic ideal of a platonic love, rather than biological lust, which is perceived as dangerous to these ideals.

The illegality of prostitution is not done on behalf of the the safety of women. Rather prostitution is made illegal precisely to reinforce by fiat, that men should be dedicated, loving, caring father servants for children.

The Queen Nanny earthmother in her moral castle, surrounded by her babies would prefer a world in which males are dedicated dog servants to the challenge of baby-raising. And of course, this will all be done in a nice, safe neighborhood. The culture does not perceive this transformation of a male into a domestic role as capture and servitude. Rather, in a perverse twist it says he is "growing as a person".

a woman in her middle ages assuming an authoritative role

Problem here is, the Middle Ages, as well as the present USian quest to return there, had no females in roles of authority, and were far more priggish than the present time when it comes to sex. Indeed, you may find that organized sexual repression in all its forms tends to be a patriarchal initiative. You may find, if you do even rudimentary research, that hatred of the body, rejection of autonomy, repression of "growing as person", and prohibition against any experimentation by young men outside the "dutiful son/soldier/husband/father" role is deeply embedded in the Judeo-Christian-Muslim tradition, which is rigidly male-dominated.

It is legal in my country.

Of course, as long as it exists, prostitution ought to be legal, taxed, regulated and inspected for health and safety.

Ideally, however, no man, woman or juvenile should ever be so economically handicapped that they're reduced to selling their bodies and no man, woman or juvenile should be socially handicapped to the point where they resort to buying sexual services. Achieving physical and emotional well-being for all citizens is the real challenge; dealing with prostitution, pornography, gambling and drugs are mere stop-gaps.

Skip wrote:woman or juvenile should be socially handicapped to the point where they resort to buying sexual services.

How hasty of you to conclude that buying sex is the result of being "socially handicapped"!

Well isn't it?


Let me guess, you are advocating a "free public sex" scheme, much like the health benefits

What I suggest needs no advocate, for it goes on millions of times a day all over the world. If anyone on this forum would suggest that paying for sex is engaged in solely due to the fact of a "social handicap" I would introduce that person to entire forums dedicated to overseas prostitution. I would present to that person nearly 50 links to escort services in many different languages. I would expect this person to interact for several weeks on these forums, explaining to the professionals involved that their behavior is due to a "social handicap" and see how this message is received.

Prostitution can be engaged in for very specific reasons involved in avoiding the mess and turbulence of monogamous dating. Prostitution can also allow a man a much wider range of women than sheer dating would allow. If a man lives in a small rural town, he may never have an opportunity to have sex with more than 1 person at a time, and paying is an excellent method for obtaining that, as well as other more difficult, preferences.

Ideally, however, no man, woman or juvenile should ever be so economically handicapped that they're reduced to selling their bodies and no man, woman or juvenile should be socially handicapped to the point where they resort to buying sexual services.

The majority of prostitutes, prostitute to feed a drug habit. I am not sure where this could ideally fit in with what you are proposing. It is after all a very costly habit and it stands to reason the majority, men or women, don't sell their bodies because they want to, or to service other "more difficult, preferences" clients or happy threesomes, for them it is usually a dire and urgent reason. His or her next fix.

This topic has been considered elsewhere on this Forum at length.

This topic has been considered elsewhere on this Forum at length.

Good. Drug addiction is also a failure of society. I'm not really interested in pursuing the sordid realities.
Neither, apparently, is Kuznetzova.

reasonvemotion wrote:The majority of prostitutes, prostitute to feed a drug habit.

are you sure this is really true

i know several strippers some of whom will let some clients - the ones who have good personal hygiene, are not gross looking, and reasonably nice, and do not appear strong enough to be able to overpower them, and willing to pay for the extra service - to take them home (or motel or whatever)

most of them are single moms - and having a job that they can go to after the kid is in bed - and where they actually can afford a babysitter - and where they can be there to send the kid off to school in the morning - and that pays reasonably well - is a reasonable solution for them

none are drug addicts

are you sure this is really true

I lived for two years in a suburb that was notorious for prostitution, on every street corner. I had plenty of opportunities to talk with the girls about their thoughts on their clients and the reasons why they resorted to such a dangerous profession.

I also worked as a counsellor in a free service call centre for people who had drug problems, illnesses, partnership problems and the odd pervert.

This has given me the opportunity to have a personal insight into many people's lives and many times feel powerless.

We live in a dark world.

I must make the distinction here. I am referring to the girls who are street prostitutes.

yea the strippers i know do a bit of prostitution but they definitely do not want to work the streets - they know girls who do and from what i hear it is not something you would want to do unless you are desperate

What makes women (also quite a few young men, boys and even more girls under 18) so desperate?

from what i understand the two big items are drug addiction and need to feed ones family

not everyone has the looks and stamina to be a stripper - and many strippers do not after a couple of years on the job - unfortunately having a job that pays fairly well and provides ready access to all sorts of drugs is a very bad combination for many and two years of hard-core drug abuse will leave one looking like a burnt out hooker

But first, it’s important to understand strip clubs exist to separate men from their money. Not some of their money. All of it. Men who forget this are the best possible customers for an establishment that’s in the business of selling fantasy, alcohol, and nothing more.


And it is legal.