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If organized labor is inherently good, why is union membership steadily dropping?

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The percentage of union membership in America is steadily going down. As well as our accumulative standard of living.


As logic would dictate, the list of the happiest and best countries to live in, a list that just came out a few days ago, have maintained the high union membership percentages or have actually increased union membership.



GREAT point ! Thank you for bringing this up.






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bobevenson wrote:If organized labor is inherently good, why is union membership steadily dropping?

I didn't know that the IRS agents were unionized! This fact is certainly relevant in judging the extent of Obama's culpability in the current IRS scandal investigation. http://spectator.org/archives/2013/05/2 ... he-smoking

tbieter wrote:

bobevenson wrote:If organized labor is inherently good, why is union membership steadily dropping?

I didn't know that the IRS agents were unionized! This fact is certainly relevant in judging the extent of Obama's culpability in the current IRS scandal investigation. http://spectator.org/archives/2013/05/2 ... he-smoking

Most union membership comes from government workers like teachers, and we know what a great job those teachers are doing, those incompetent, overpaid teachers who can't teach kids to read and write, and who can't be fired because they belong to a union.

bobevenson wrote:If organized labor is inherently good, why is union membership steadily dropping?

I assume because you've moved much of your manufacturing base to the East.

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I'm not sure you can overpay a teacher.



I support unionized teachers. In order to concentrate upon actually teaching fellow human beings on needs every opportunity to focus upon that.

I want a teacher that looks like what we would call successful. Being a union member is a GREAT example of what it means to be successful for our young, impressionable fellow human beings.



Thank you for allowing me to reflect upon this important union related subject.









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Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote:If organized labor is inherently good, why is union membership steadily dropping?

I assume because you've moved much of your manufacturing base to the East.

No, we manufacture more than ever, but we do it with fewer people who aren't featherbedding union members.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:I'm not sure you can overpay a teacher.

But you can overpay incompetent teachers who can't be fired.

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Guess it's a matter of perspective.


I believe in supporting individuals who have dedicated their lives to educate our next generation of human beings.


You apparently, are on a mission to find a situation that exists only within an infinitesimalmargin of individuals.


I LOVE and I thank the union supported teachers and educational associates that has allowed me to type & comprehend this sentence and ALL the other posts here.






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There is nothing inherent about labour unions: they're a construct of industrial society, which is itself a weird sort of fabrication.
Labour unions are simply a necessary defense of the productive against exploitation by the privileged.
Labour unions, while as corruptible as any other human organization (well, maybe not quite as corruptible as churches and senates, but almost) have been effective in raising the standard of living and protecting the safety of workers.
The privileged do not like a fair fight.
In the last 30 years, conservative governments, under instructions from their campaign financeers, have passed a great many unconstitutional laws to break up the unions. They have been largely successful. Wages go down, hours go up, standard of living declines, purchasing power plummets, goods go unbought, failing industries are bailed out with public funds, the unemployed are not.

Move on. Jobs were a bad idea anyway.

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...............................................................................................Yeah. Bad idea...until you need one.





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Skip wrote:Labour unions are simply a necessary defense of the productive against exploitation by the privileged.

I hope you don't mind me calling that sentence the biggest load of horseshit on the planet.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:I believe in supporting individuals who have dedicated their lives to educate our next generation of human beings.

Dedicated their lives my ass, half those teachers are dumber than the kids they're supposedly trying to teach, and they wouldn't even be there except for unions that won't let them be fired.

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Again, that's NOT my experience but --- HEY wait a minute!...Can you give me a specific known documented example of what you are affixed to?

Better yet - Do you have a DIRECT experience where you could supply us with the specific location, date, and individual teacher's name where we could fact-check?


That fear that you have...let's together take a look at the specific facts that are causing you to feel so strongly.


I'll wait right here. Take your time...






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