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Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:44 pm
by Pluto
If the conspiracies are true. As a thought experiment. Can philosophy be useful here?
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:10 pm
by The Voice of Time
Why use foreign language title?
The answer is yes, but because conspiracies very often diverge at times quite a lot from practical truth, it is very unproductive to use philosophy for it, unless to prove a general point (for instance a point about the access of the public to government and other types of disclosed information) as opposed to a specific point (the ethics surrounding the hypothetical situation).
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:11 pm
by Bill Wiltrack
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Die conspiricies doelt u?
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Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:33 pm
by Pluto
The Voice of Time wrote:Why use foreign language title?
The answer is yes, but because conspiracies very often diverge at times quite a lot from practical truth, it is very unproductive to use philosophy for it, unless to prove a general point (for instance a point about the access of the public to government and other types of disclosed information) as opposed to a specific point (the ethics surrounding the hypothetical situation).[/quote
"The Voice of Time"]Why use foreign language title?
Why not? It's Flemish/Dutch and spoken where I live. It is the language in which I first thought the sentence, so I've kept it. But I think to my English native ear sounds great. I think English is suspect, so to use another language (as a non-native speaker) is interesting and possibly productive.
“Language is not neutral,” write Azzellini and Sitrin, “words transport and express concepts and ways of thinking. They can consolidate and perpetuate hierarchies, domination and control just as they can underline equality and strengthen consciousness.”
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:37 pm
by Pluto
Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Die conspiricies doelt u?
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Wrong question. Als de complotten waar zijn. What do we see. Does philosophy have a position here.
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:03 am
by bus2bondi
The Voice of Time wrote:Why use foreign language title?
i'm nor sure but, for the last many days, i've been listening to foreign music
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:10 am
by Bill Wiltrack
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Wacht eens even ... Je vraagt of de conspiricies waar zijn.
Ik vraag - Wat conspiricies? ... en DAT is het verkeerde antwoord?
Je bent me te verliezen ...
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Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:15 am
by bus2bondi
growing up, upon growing up, i came upon many things, many of them were conspiracy theories, in fact, i read the supposed actual history of the, you name it...
i come out flabbergasted. can philosophy be useful in the question that you asked? i don't know for sure but i kinda wonder if it might
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:17 am
by bus2bondi
Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Wacht eens even ... Je vraagt of de conspiricies waar zijn.
Ik vraag - Wat conspiricies? ... en DAT is het verkeerde antwoord?
Je bent me te verliezen ...
googantah!
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Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:32 am
by The Voice of Time
bus2bondi wrote:The Voice of Time wrote:Why use foreign language title?
i'm nor sure but, for the last many days, i've been listening to foreign music
me too, I've been listening to the soundtrack from The Dictator movie, but what does that have to do with the use of unintelligible language in the title?
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:13 am
by Pluto
The Voice of Time wrote:bus2bondi wrote:The Voice of Time wrote:Why use foreign language title?
i'm nor sure but, for the last many days, i've been listening to foreign music
me too, I've been listening to the soundtrack from The Dictator movie, but what does that have to do with the use of unintelligible language in the title?
It isn't unintelligible language, Dutch or German speakers can understand it (some see, some don't). To you it is abstract and obscure, like conspiracies are. Unintelligible language (to humans) would be barking dogs, or the sounds of dophins.
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:46 am
by The Voice of Time
Well to one who doesn't know the language (and how many here does?) it would be unintelligible xD
Or if you didn't know the language would you find it intelligible?
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:16 pm
by Pluto
Or if you didn't know the language would you find it intelligible?[/
No, I'd be interested in what it meant though.
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:27 pm
by Pluto
Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Wacht eens even ... Je vraagt of de conspiricies waar zijn.
Ik vraag - Wat conspiricies? ... en DAT is het verkeerde antwoord?
Je bent me te verliezen ...
Which conspiracies do I mean you ask. I mean those ones which are running through your mind when you here the words 'if the conspiracies are true.'
Re: Als de complotten waar zijn
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:38 pm
by The Voice of Time
Pluto wrote:Or if you didn't know the language would you find it intelligible?[/
No, I'd be interested in what it meant though.
So just to poke interest? Yeah yeah, I figured it out, google-translate 1-2-3!...