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Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:20 am
by reasonvemotion
I was in a shop recently, getting something repaired. The man doing the repair, suddenly thrust some wires at me, which he had to solder(?) and said "here hold these", huh? I was taken back. Why, you may ask. Men don't do that. It's like, could you hold this please, or do you mind, etc. His manner was abrupt, unquestionning and demanding. I obeyed. So what was so different. This man was. It has been a while since I have known a man like this. They are rare and it made me think of an article I had read recently on Plato and Thumos, a small excerpt which I have included below.

Plato’s allegory of the chariot, which the ancient philosopher used to explain the tripartite nature of the soul or psyche. In the allegory, a chariot (representing the soul) is pulled by a rebellious dark horse (symbolizing man’s appetites) and a spirited white horse (symbolizing thumos).

The Greeks believed thumos was essential to andreia — manliness. If men have lost the ability to recognize, appreciate, cultivate, and utilize one of the three main components of their nature, they should not be surprised when negative consequences follow. When one hears of a lack of virility, fight, energy, and ambition in modern men, of a malaise of spirit that has settled over their sex, what is really being spoken of is a shortage of thumos. For millions of men, thumos lies dormant, an energy source left untapped. It is as if each of them had a potential thoroughbred waiting in the stable, ready and eager to run, but they kept him locked away, only trotting him out for pony rides at children’s birthday parties.

What Is Thumos?

Plato envisioned the three components of one’s soul as independent entities. Thumos was thought to be the most independent. The Greeks believed it was found in animals, humans, and the gods. Thumos could act separately from you, or in cooperation with you — as an accompaniment, tool, or motivation behind some action. Because it was a distinct part of yourself, you could talk to it, tell it to endure, to be strong, or to be young (thumos was associated with the passion and power of youth, but older people could have it too).

The Greek philosopher Empedocles called thumos the “seat of life.” If it left you entirely, you would faint, and permanent separation meant death.

Thumos likewise constitutes the “seat of energy that can fill a person,” and serves as the active agent within man. It is the stimulus, the drive, the juice to action — the thing that makes the blood surge in your veins. Philosopher Sam Keen got at the idea with his concept of “the fire in the belly.”

The Romans held a similar belief, equating energy with virtus, or manliness. “The whole glory of virtus,” Cicero declared, “resides in activity.”

What is the nature of this energy and where does it lead, or does such a thing really exist.

He caught my attention.

Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:33 am
by Bill Wiltrack
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Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:00 pm
by reasonvemotion
anything else to contribute?

Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:00 pm
by Bill Wiltrack
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GREAT topic & well designed post.







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One of the most basic meanings of the word Thumos is: fire within.

Thumos was the word used by the Greeks for soul before the word soul was created.


The word Thermos was derived from the word Thumos.









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Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:16 pm
by reasonvemotion
You are getting sillier and sillier.

Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:32 am
by Bill Wiltrack
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..................................................Perhaps I'm projecting from the point of my powerful Id?



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Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:05 am
by reasonvemotion
Or perhaps....
...... have lost the ability to recognize, appreciate, cultivate, and utilize one of the three main components of their nature, they should not be surprised when negative consequences follow.

Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:13 am
by Bill Wiltrack
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...yeah, um...about that...ah, who really believes in Freud or his skewed slant on our states of being?


I uh, I for one don't.



I was um,...I was just being silly.







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Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:14 am
by reasonvemotion
as usual.

I know your MO now.

Retreat before you are attacked. Total emasculation.

Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:35 am
by Bill Wiltrack
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Is that my Modus operandi?




Wiki:

Modus operandi
(plural modi operandi) is a Latin phrase, approximately translated as "method of operation".[1] The term is used to describe someone's habits or manner of working, particularly in the context of business or criminal investigations. In English, it is often shortened to M.O.


I don't know?


I try to mix it up between viciously attacking ANYONE who even threatens to challenge an opinion of mine, using members own words against them or, as you say, running away with my tail between my legs...But be careful. Even my retreating is somehow used as a weapon in this sick, twisted reality of mine.





...what do you think your MO is?







...and, do you think I am the manliest man on the internet?





You know my thumos is raging.










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Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:38 am
by reasonvemotion
Like I said

Emasculation is the removal of the genitalia of a male, both the penis and the testicles.

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you wont get "em" back looking at pictures of animals copulating.



M.O.

Abbreviation in both speech and text for "<i>modus operandi</i>" (Latin) or "mode of operation" (English). The term is used to mean either the way in which one does something, or his or her focus or goal/ambition in a certain aspect of life.

Bill Wiltrack:
I try to mix it up between viciously attacking ANYONE who even threatens to challenge an opinion of mine, using members own words against them or, as you say, running away with my tail between my legs...But be careful. Even my retreating is somehow used as a weapon in this sick, twisted reality of mine.
Nice to read some truth spewing out of you for a change. Your little threat comes as no surprise, for I have read your posts from the past and some of the callous attacks rendered by you. There is nothing benign about you. At all.

Re: Thumos (Manliness)

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:36 am
by Bill Wiltrack
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Ya know, the less I think about it the more I feel that this is actually my modus operandi:







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