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reincarnation

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:24 pm
by Kayla
my little brother age 6 is friends with a little hindu girl - not everyone in texas is a baptist - so he has been exposed to some hindu ideas

his little girlfriend and him recently announced that they were married in their previous lives - and yes they are planning on getting married again

what are everyones thoughts on reincarnation

her parents think that christianity is entirely compatible with hinduism although i think most texan baptists would differ

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:46 pm
by bobevenson
Reincarnation is a Hindu scam, but then all religions outside of Ouzo are scams.

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:12 pm
by Kayla
so if one gathers lots of bad karma one gets reborn as a follower of ron paul?

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:11 pm
by bobevenson
Kayla wrote:so if one gathers lots of bad karma one gets reborn as a follower of ron paul?
Ron Paul was the only candidate with any intelligence and integrity. Of course, that doomed him from the very beginning.

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:09 am
by artisticsolution
bobevenson wrote: Ron Paul was the only candidate with any intelligence and integrity. Of course, that doomed him from the very beginning.
Who'da thunk it...you have something in common with Arising.

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:33 am
by bobevenson
artisticsolution wrote:
bobevenson wrote: Ron Paul was the only candidate with any intelligence and integrity. Of course, that doomed him from the very beginning.
Who'da thunk it...you have something in common with Arising.
I think you've got your wires crossed. Ron Paul is a free-market captitalist, not a socialist.

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:33 am
by Bernard
Being doesn't end, only forms end. We are all essentially being. I love the Bhagavad Gita but one can't read it with a modern type of mind and get much out of it.

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:05 pm
by Gee
Kayla wrote:my little brother age 6 is friends with a little hindu girl - not everyone in texas is a baptist - so he has been exposed to some hindu ideas

his little girlfriend and him recently announced that they were married in their previous lives - and yes they are planning on getting married again

what are everyones thoughts on reincarnation

her parents think that christianity is entirely compatible with hinduism although i think most texan baptists would differ
Kayla;

Dr. Ian Stevenson has been studying reincarnation at the University of Virginia for many years. He is now deceased, but you can learn about his studies at the following site at the University of Virginia.

http://www.medicine.virginia.edu/clinic ... s-page#NDE

Hope I got the URL right.

Gee

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:36 pm
by Bernard
Unfortunately most people don't give much thought to what reincanation really means - continuance of the self in some way or other. This idea is what the buddha fought, contrary to most opinion. The self requires historical data for its very existence, hence when people, including kids, say they've had a past life they invariably say it was in the literal past: 1924, 1000 bc, 2011 etcetera. This is just bad thinking and bad interpretation of what's actually happened to them, which will be either some natural or supernatural psychic or energetic relating to the field of time in some way. Death eliminates the field of time. This is very important to understand. So when a being dies it is kaput, but being itself doesn't die - the form containing being ends but not BEING itself. Being simply reformulates itself into the field of time again in a totally new form, and this obviously can be in either the past or future where it enters again. There is no memory possible within any new form of any previous form. Its like expecting yourself to remember eating an apple when what you just ate was actually an orange.

There is a lot more to my ideas on this subject but people usually aren't interested. Thjey want themselves to continue either in never ending heaven or in another form, or as atheistic nothingness.

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:47 pm
by Kayla
i was chatting to the girl's mother last night

she believes she lived in texas in a past life sometime in the post civil war 19th century

she says that when she studied english it came very easily to her and she spoke with a texan accent before ever leaving india

she does sound like a local i actually assumed she was born here

she says that she remembers many roads and streets in texas that existed before 20th century and coming here was just like coming home after a long absence

her husband speaks with a heavy hindi accent and says that he was too drunk in his past life to remember much of it i am not sure if he is joking or not

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:01 pm
by Piltdownbrain
Bernard wrote:Being doesn't end, only forms end. We are all essentially being. I love the Bhagavad Gita but one can't read it with a modern type of mind and get much out of it.
It was very existential, similar to Sartre , almost nihilistic, the void and religious austerity as a path to freedom. Very doctrinal though, but lacking the Sartre nuances.

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:28 am
by Bernard
Sartre doesn't have the imagery though, nor the drama.

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:30 am
by Bernard
People can pick things up from a past for sure, but this shouldn't be instantly thout of as a reincarnation experiece - just because it comes from within doesn't mean its memory.


Kayla wrote:i was chatting to the girl's mother last night

she believes she lived in texas in a past life sometime in the post civil war 19th century

she says that when she studied english it came very easily to her and she spoke with a texan accent before ever leaving india

she does sound like a local i actually assumed she was born here

she says that she remembers many roads and streets in texas that existed before 20th century and coming here was just like coming home after a long absence

her husband speaks with a heavy hindi accent and says that he was too drunk in his past life to remember much of it i am not sure if he is joking or not

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:05 am
by Piltdownbrain
Bernard wrote:Sartre doesn't have the imagery though, nor the drama.
Of course the urban imagery and politics differ over 1500 yrs from the Eastern village scenario, take Kafka for instance, his 'Metamorphous' can be interpreted metaphorically as a reincarnation, and the depth and interplay when juxtaposed into the modern western society is not dramatic enough for you!? Just because Sartre's world was urban cafés, well , we anticipate his subtle nuanced interpretation of mundane life, because essentially existentialism must function in any environement!

Re: reincarnation

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:09 pm
by Bernard
I don't see any evidence in BV of doctrine, if anything it's in Sartre: adherence to the existential mood led to doctrinal overtones. B. is narrative and not the didactic book it is held up as. It's a single chapter in the tomic Mahabarata which eats all the other chapters for dinner. It's simply a call to courage and strength of spirit. heart and mind, yet the subtleties of The Vedas are remade in every verse. Likening Sarte to Krishna is like likening Leonardo to marcel Duchamp. Not meaning to denigrate Sarte. It's just that its not an appropriate comparison you make.