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Striketh down any who believe with righteous conviction that we are the only lifeform within our universe.

"The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal detected by Jerry R. Ehman on August 15, 1977, while working on a SETI project at the Big Ear radio telescope of The Ohio State University then located at Ohio Wesleyan University's Perkins Observatory, Delaware, Ohio.[1] The signal bore expected hallmarks of potential non-terrestrial and non-Solar System origin. It lasted for the full 72-second duration that Big Ear observed it, but has not been detected again. The signal has been the subject of significant media attention.

Amazed at how closely the signal matched the expected signature of an interstellar signal in the antenna used, Ehman circled the signal on the computer printout and wrote the comment "Wow!" on its side. This comment became the name of the signal."

"Aliens Found In Ohio? The 'Wow!' Signal", by Robert Krulwich, NPR, May 29, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

There is perhaps more than one God? Or is it different suburbs of space have different Gods, Mayor like guardians of the area so to speak, regional Gods?

Surely wherever this signal came from below came from a place that was created by an almighty divine being similair to our own God?

Who here believes we are alone and there is only one Creator?

And who is that creator, or what is that creator.

I lay down the challenge.

XenuWonder.

xenuwonder wrote:Striketh down any who believe with righteous conviction that we are the only lifeform within our universe.


Who here believes we are alone and there is only one Creator?

And who is that creator, or what is that creator.

I lay down the challenge.

XenuWonder.

But what exactly do you imagine is your challenge , ?? , that there is more than one god ,,???,,thats fairly easy to answer , there is less than one god ,,!!!!
has life evolved on other planets , I believe so , but how will we prove it , ?? do you see the "WOW" recording as proof , ?? ,fact ,,?? , irrefutable ,??
I havn't checked out the site yet , but I'm betting there is an earth bound explanation for the signal ,,!!!

I believe the truth is out there, yes. In the cosmos, in signals such as these.

Is it irrefutable truth? It is a sign of intelligence. Do you want it to be blessed by some group, organisation, body of halfwitts for it to be then put into the category of "irrefutable"?

Make of it what you will.

The question I have is was a creator responsible for this lifeform on a different planet to ours?

Do they too have a documented history of such accounts by an untold amount of unkown authors?

Was our God responsible for life their too?

Xenu

xenuwonder wrote:I believe the truth is out there, yes. In the cosmos, in signals such as these.

Is it irrefutable truth? It is a sign of intelligence. Do you want it to be blessed by some group, organisation, body of halfwitts for it to be then put into the category of "irrefutable"?

Make of it what you will.

The question I have is was a creator responsible for this lifeform on a different planet to ours?

Do they too have a documented history of such accounts by an untold amount of unkown authors?

Was our God responsible for life their too?

Xenu

Can i just point out that most people around this forum are atheist. Find your alien first then ask it whether we share the same God...then try an prove the existence God so that people around these parts give a flying rats ass.
You are obviously Australian, cos i saw the same tv show..or maybe NZ

xenuwonder wrote:I believe the truth is out there, yes. In the cosmos, in signals such as these.

Is it irrefutable truth? It is a sign of intelligence. Do you want it to be blessed by some group, organisation, body of halfwitts for it to be then put into the category of "irrefutable"?

Make of it what you will.

The question I have is was a creator responsible for this lifeform on a different planet to ours?

Do they too have a documented history of such accounts by an untold amount of unkown authors?

Was our God responsible for life their too?

Xenu

"Was a creator responsible for this other life form" ? ,, why do you chose that question first , surely the first question should be , how did life come to be ,
to assume a god is involved , is a assuming a lot , why not assume nothing ,
then the question would be , where did this life form come from , did it evolve there , or are they space travelers , what did they evolve from ,?? maybe possible to have human like beings , that evolved from birds ,,given time and evolution , almost anything could evolve to fit the niche . ie the tazzy tiger , looks and acts like a dog , but not a dog ,
could there be other life forms on other planets that while ending up like human , may have a different closest ancestor , I mean we are all quadrapeds anyway , so it wouldn't take much more time to get to human starting out as a bird ,,????
"Was our god responsible for their life to" ,,,too much assumption there ,
your assuming we have a god , and that either it doesn't tell us the truth about the universe , or that we have no idea what god knows ,,
none of the popular fantasies such as the koran and the bible mention such things ,
so has god been keeping the rest of the universe a secret , playing hide and seek with knowledge ,,???? , why wouldn't a god be truthful ,?? , why would it deceive us,,????
surely the answer is there is no god involved in either case ,,,!!!!

xenuwonder wrote:Striketh down any who believe with righteous conviction that we are the only lifeform within our universe. .

Seems a bit violently extreme to me.
As there is zero evidence of other life in the universe as yet, it seems a bit unfair to be so adamant about a thing for which you have no proof.

The "wow signal" ir probably the most disappointing result of a multimillion dollar project. All those years and all that investigation and only one ambiguous and enigmatic piece of evidence, origin and cause unknown.
Exhaustive investigations of the same area of space that is supposed to have been the origin of the 'signal' have revealed nothing.
And yet, if anyone were to travel within 70 light years of earth, they would hear such a racket, as to be deafening as they came across old TV signals and the chatter of earth's communications.
Maybe life has not had time to evolve TV and radio - not long enough to bridge the ridiculous gaps made ever more great by universal expansion. Maybe there move to digital or other forms of silent comms has meant that the noise of their existence has been too short a time span?

Voyager left earth in 1977, it is travelling out of the solar system so fast that signals (at the speed of light) already take 15 days to reach back to earth. Despite this velocity it will not reach the nearest star until another 40,000 years have past.

distance in space is always more than you think.

xenuwonder wrote:I believe the truth is out there, yes. In the cosmos, in signals such as these.

It has taken you precisely 2 posts for you to hyperbolise.

You make your case less when you try to amplify it.

There is no "signals" such as these.
There is only ONE signal.
Unrepeated, non-replicable, alone, singular, enigmatic, and ambiguous.

There was a time when pulsars were thought to be aliens.

chaz wyman wrote:

xenuwonder wrote:I believe the truth is out there, yes. In the cosmos, in signals such as these.

It has taken you precisely 2 posts for you to hyperbolise.

You make your case less when you try to amplify it.

There is no "signals" such as these.
There is only ONE signal.
Unrepeated, non-replicable, alone, singular, enigmatic, and ambiguous.

There was a time when pulsars were thought to be aliens.

Just for a change I agree Chaz , I think Xenu imagined the topic would provoke a little more interest than it has , and that there would be others who thought like him ,there probably is , but I think we are getting into the territory of wishful thinking as apposed to fact .
Xenu can imagine that this signal could be one of many , but the facts don't agree .
I don;t have any problem with the idea that other life forms are out there ,
what if any communication we may receive from them is another story ,

Godfree wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

xenuwonder wrote:I believe the truth is out there, yes. In the cosmos, in signals such as these.

It has taken you precisely 2 posts for you to hyperbolise.

You make your case less when you try to amplify it.

There is no "signals" such as these.
There is only ONE signal.
Unrepeated, non-replicable, alone, singular, enigmatic, and ambiguous.

There was a time when pulsars were thought to be aliens.

Just for a change I agree Chaz , I think Xenu imagined the topic would provoke a little more interest than it has , and that there would be others who thought like him ,there probably is , but I think we are getting into the territory of wishful thinking as apposed to fact .
Xenu can imagine that this signal could be one of many , but the facts don't agree .
I don;t have any problem with the idea that other life forms are out there ,
what if any communication we may receive from them is another story ,

I was 17 when they recorded the Wow Signal, and Carl Sagan and the SETI group were as excited as me.
But that was a long time ago, and despite exhaustive efforts to find more - nothing.
I'm reading an old Sci-Fi book by Olaf Stapleton Star-Maker, on my kindle at the moment. The character in the book is forced to journey the galaxy without his body to visit a bewildering array of other life forms, because the basic restrictions of stellar travel are too prohibitive to do it in any other way.
We can dream about warp drives, but the fact is that distances will always be a problem for travel and communication.

I seem to remember Carl Sagan, before he dies suggested maybe we are the first to get to the point of looking.
There are good reason s for this.
I seem to remember he came to this conclusion suing the Drake Equation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

I was 17 when they recorded the Wow Signal, and Carl Sagan and the SETI group were as excited as me.
But that was a long time ago, and despite exhaustive efforts to find more - nothing.
I'm reading an old Sci-Fi book by Olaf Stapleton Star-Maker, on my kindle at the moment. The character in the book is forced to journey the galaxy without his body to visit a bewildering array of other life forms, because the basic restrictions of stellar travel are too prohibitive to do it in any other way.
We can dream about warp drives, but the fact is that distances will always be a problem for travel and communication.

I seem to remember Carl Sagan, before he dies suggested maybe we are the first to get to the point of looking.
There are good reason s for this.
I seem to remember he came to this conclusion suing the Drake Equation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation[/quote]
I like a good sci fi just as much as the next person , but I don't mix reality with fantasy ,
as if there were no clear boundary's inbetween .
We can argue about whats possible , almost , forever ,!!!
but the facts and what are probable , don't make for such good movie themes ,
Imagine a movie , based on how space travel would really go , generation upon generation living in the same tin can , probably nothing changing for thousands of years , apart from the breakdown of the equipment , I suppose that would be a full time , if not impossible job , sooner or later a meteor would hit your craft , depending on how big it was would depend on if you survived or not , there are just so many things in the way of it happening ,
but it makes good movies , cos they can pretend , and the world is used to pretending ,
religion is a pretense , there is no reality to god , so they pretend ,,!!!

Godfree wrote:I was 17 when they recorded the Wow Signal, and Carl Sagan and the SETI group were as excited as me.
But that was a long time ago, and despite exhaustive efforts to find more - nothing.
I'm reading an old Sci-Fi book by Olaf Stapleton Star-Maker, on my kindle at the moment. The character in the book is forced to journey the galaxy without his body to visit a bewildering array of other life forms, because the basic restrictions of stellar travel are too prohibitive to do it in any other way.
We can dream about warp drives, but the fact is that distances will always be a problem for travel and communication.

I seem to remember Carl Sagan, before he dies suggested maybe we are the first to get to the point of looking.
There are good reason s for this.
I seem to remember he came to this conclusion suing the Drake Equation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

I like a good sci fi just as much as the next person , but I don't mix reality with fantasy ,

Neither do I. Olaf Stapleton was also a philosopher and thinker.
as if there were no clear boundary's inbetween .
We can argue about whats possible , almost , forever ,!!!
but the facts and what are probable , don't make for such good movie themes ,
Imagine a movie , based on how space travel would really go , generation upon generation living in the same tin can ,

That has also been covered by Sci-fi several times.

probably nothing changing for thousands of years , apart from the breakdown of the equipment , I suppose that would be a full time , if not impossible job , sooner or later a meteor would hit your craft , depending on how big it was would depend on if you survived or not , there are just so many things in the way of it happening ,
but it makes good movies , cos they can pretend , and the world is used to pretending ,
religion is a pretense , there is no reality to god , so they pretend ,,!!![/quote]

This thread is not about religion.

chaz wyman wrote:

Godfree wrote:I was 17 when they recorded the Wow Signal, and Carl Sagan and the SETI group were as excited as me.
But that was a long time ago, and despite exhaustive efforts to find more - nothing.
I'm reading an old Sci-Fi book by Olaf Stapleton Star-Maker, on my kindle at the moment. The character in the book is forced to journey the galaxy without his body to visit a bewildering array of other life forms, because the basic restrictions of stellar travel are too prohibitive to do it in any other way.
We can dream about warp drives, but the fact is that distances will always be a problem for travel and communication.

I seem to remember Carl Sagan, before he dies suggested maybe we are the first to get to the point of looking.
There are good reason s for this.
I seem to remember he came to this conclusion suing the Drake Equation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

I like a good sci fi just as much as the next person , but I don't mix reality with fantasy ,

Neither do I. Olaf Stapleton was also a philosopher and thinker.
as if there were no clear boundary's inbetween .
We can argue about whats possible , almost , forever ,!!!
but the facts and what are probable , don't make for such good movie themes ,
Imagine a movie , based on how space travel would really go , generation upon generation living in the same tin can ,

That has also been covered by Sci-fi several times.

probably nothing changing for thousands of years , apart from the breakdown of the equipment , I suppose that would be a full time , if not impossible job , sooner or later a meteor would hit your craft , depending on how big it was would depend on if you survived or not , there are just so many things in the way of it happening ,
but it makes good movies , cos they can pretend , and the world is used to pretending ,
religion is a pretense , there is no reality to god , so they pretend ,,!!!

This thread is not about religion.

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Chaz ,,you make a lot of assumptions ,,I would say this thread is indeed about religion ,
Xenu , probably an Atheist was deliberately using religious terms ,
and attacking the fundamentalists view that we are it ,
that there is one god , one world , , "We are not alone",
and which "god"made them then ,??? ,,don't you get it ,,???

Chaz ,, while I remember to explain something here ,
you often take the defensive as if it were you I was attacking , you are the one replying , but don't always assume the reply is aimed at you , have a little faith Chaz , I think your pretty on to it in most cases ,
So when I'm blogging about things that don't sound like you ,
it might be because I'm not actually addressing you ,
In a lot of cases I agree with you but you often take it as a challenge ,your either a very argumentative individual ,
or you keep thinking it's all about you,,!!!
in a lot of cases I'm referring to them ,
we have to remember this is not a private conversation , you and I are not the only ones who read this , and it is often those , the un-named reader ,
to which I am addressing ,,,!!!

Godfree wrote:Chaz ,, while I remember to explain something here ,
you often take the defensive as if it were you I was attacking , you are the one replying , but don't always assume the reply is aimed at you , have a little faith Chaz , I think your pretty on to it in most cases ,
So when I'm blogging about things that don't sound like you ,
it might be because I'm not actually addressing you ,
In a lot of cases I agree with you but you often take it as a challenge ,your either a very argumentative individual ,
or you keep thinking it's all about you,,!!!
in a lot of cases I'm referring to them ,
we have to remember this is not a private conversation , you and I are not the only ones who read this , and it is often those , the un-named reader ,
to which I am addressing ,,,!!!

Thank you for stating that I have no Faith - I take that as a compliment.
Aside from that you would be better to avoid personal attacks and to try to address any points of the thread.

Thank you for stating that I have no Faith - I take that as a compliment.
Aside from that you would be better to avoid personal attacks and to try to address any points of the thread.[/quote]

When reading the first line of this thread do you not consider this an attack on religious fundamentalism , that this thread is indeed about religion ,,???
maybe we should ask Xenu ,,