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Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:30 pm
by Gary Childress
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:29 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:27 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:25 pm
Maybe you’d be interested in a religion that rewards doing great harm, with Paradise.
That's kind of the exact opposite thing to say in response to what I said. But, whatever.
It's reality. Some folks are interested in that kind of religion, and Paradise is not Hell. In fact, Paradise is better than Hell.
Well, I've never encountered anyone who thought people who do great harm should be rewarded with paradise. Mostly the opposite.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:38 pm
by Immanuel Can
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:30 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:29 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:27 pm
That's kind of the exact opposite thing to say in response to what I said. But, whatever.
It's reality. Some folks are interested in that kind of religion, and Paradise is not Hell. In fact, Paradise is better than Hell.
Well, I've never encountered anyone who thought people who do great harm should be rewarded with paradise. Mostly the opposite.
Ah, yes...the call for Justice, right after complaints about Hell. That's just what I suggested: the cynics can't make up their minds.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:43 pm
by Walker
The reason why you don't hear folks hollering Praise Jesus before harming is because folks don't holler that.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:46 pm
by Gary Childress
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:38 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:30 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 2:29 pm
It's reality. Some folks are interested in that kind of religion, and Paradise is not Hell. In fact, Paradise is better than Hell.
Well, I've never encountered anyone who thought people who do great harm should be rewarded with paradise. Mostly the opposite.
Ah, yes...the call for Justice, right after complaints about Hell. That's just what I suggested: the cynics can't make up their minds.
Yes. I want to be punished for doing great harm like starting wars and stuff. But then not be punished with eternal hell for disobeying the speed limit or not going to church. It's so inconsistent.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:08 pm
by Walker
Christians pray for personal strength so that God’s will can be done, with the understood caveat that God’s will is often mysterious to the limited capacity of humans.
Doing great harm preconceives what God want's done.
So, there goes that old habit of second-guessing God, right out the window.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:12 pm
by Gary Childress
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:08 pm
Christians pray for personal strength so that God’s will can be done, with the understood caveat that God’s will is often mysterious to the limited capacity of humans.
Doing great harm preconceives what God want's done.
So, there goes that old habit of second-guessing God, right out the window.
I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that great harm such as starting wars is part of God's "plan"? Should we therefore not interfere with his "plan" then?
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:17 pm
by Walker
All I said was what I said.
Saying something else, as you did, will say something else.
What do you say?
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:19 pm
by Gary Childress
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:17 pm
All I said was what I said.
Saying something else, as you did, will say something else.
What do you say?
You said, "Doing great harm preconceives what God want's done." What does that mean? It sounds like you are saying that war precipitates when God wants something done. I take it that's not the case, and I have misunderstood you?
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:26 pm
by Walker
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:19 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:17 pm
All I said was what I said.
Saying something else, as you did, will say something else.
What do you say?
You said, "Doing great harm preconceives what God want's done." What does that mean? It sounds like you are saying that war precipitates when God wants something done. I take it that's not the case, and I have misunderstood you?
In homage to philosophy, it would be best for you to expound upon your theories that you derived from what I said and aim for objective principles.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:28 pm
by Gary Childress
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:26 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:19 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:17 pm
All I said was what I said.
Saying something else, as you did, will say something else.
What do you say?
You said, "Doing great harm preconceives what God want's done." What does that mean? It sounds like you are saying that war precipitates when God wants something done. I take it that's not the case, and I have misunderstood you?
It would be best for you to expound upon your theories that you derived from what I said and aim for objective principles.
OK. Do we agree that if there is a Hell a person should go to hell for starting a war but not go to hell for disobeying the speed limit or not going to church? That was my statement that kicked off these nebulous riddles of yours.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:29 pm
by Walker
Think in terms of hollering "Praise God" while murdering innocents, and being rewarded with Paradise rather than Hell ... which has already been said.
You're free to expound your philosophy of speed limits.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:32 pm
by Gary Childress
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:29 pm
Think in terms of hollering "Praise God" while murdering innocents, and being rewarded with Paradise rather than Hell ... which has already been said.
Maybe you should think in terms of "yes" or "no" when answering a "yes" or "no" question. But I'm just a stupid former atheist educated at a secular university. So I wouldn't know.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:35 pm
by Walker
You're supposed to be thinking about what a rogue state is.
Focus, Gary. Relax and focus.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:36 pm
by phyllo
The subject is not rogue states or Islam.
Re: Gary's Corner
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2026 3:37 pm
by Walker
Question to AI:
What is a rogue state of mind?