Philosophy Now Forum

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:58 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:56 pm It is quite worrying that a forum devoted to philosophy is infiltrated by people who believe in mob rule.

Philosophy is a large field that holds all kinds of opinions and beliefs. And some of those opinions and beliefs may even be true, although, I'm not entirely sure which ones.

Yeah, unfortunately currently it is being overrun by those of shallow of thought (not all, but most Americans here) where others have cried oceans where the depths of within those fathoms knowledge has been gleaned but is being usurped with willful rejection of the love of wisdom by a boring propensity to talk about politics.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:36 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:58 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:56 pm It is quite worrying that a forum devoted to philosophy is infiltrated by people who believe in mob rule.

Philosophy is a large field that holds all kinds of opinions and beliefs. And some of those opinions and beliefs may even be true, although, I'm not entirely sure which ones.

Yeah, unfortunately currently it is being overrun by those of shallow of thought (not all, but most Americans here) where others have cried oceans where the depths of within those fathoms knowledge has been gleaned but is being usurped with willful rejection of the love of wisdom by a boring propensity to talk about politics.

Philosophy is nothing but idle talk of the leisured classes unless philosophy results in progressive thought then action. Progress is measured by reason and personal disinterest.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:47 pm

tillingborn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:32 pm I don't think that many people who might have been swayed by the Hunter Biden laptop story were not aware of it

I do.

Again, I must respectfully disagree. As I said:

tillingborn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:32 pmYou complain that 'the MSM' didn't report a story that, as I pointed out, was all over Fox, AON, Newsmax and many other conservatives outlets.

Both you and Walker have cited references to a study that allegedly shows how some sizeable number of people, with no access to Fox et al, would have changed the outcome of the election. Your case would be much stronger, if you could show the results of the study in question.

With about 2 weeks left in office, Trump may be facing another impeachment attempt proposed by Democrats.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

It sort of seems like a mistake to me. He only has just under 2 weeks left in office and this is just going to infuriate Trump's supporters that much more, feeding into their beliefs about "the swamp" and whatnot--probably with more riots and violence--as well as strengthen his cause among various people in this country. It'll just make a martyr out of him to his followers. Why not just let him go for the two weeks? He'll be out soon enough.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pm With about 2 weeks left in office, Trump may be facing another impeachment attempt proposed by Democrats.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

It sort of seems like a mistake to me. He only has just under 2 weeks left in office and this is just going to infuriate Trump's supporters that much more, feeding into their beliefs about "the swamp" and whatnot--probably with more riots and violence--as well as strengthen his cause among various people in this country. It'll just make a martyr out of him to his followers. Why not just let him go for the two weeks? He'll be out soon enough.

What have you seen among the writigns of Mannie, Walker, Henry, Nick and Impenitent in the last couple of months to suggest his followers don't already see him as a martyr?

If they impeach and remove him, he will surely get a presidential pardon, but he will lose the ability to sell those same pardons. He will lose the ability to launch a last minute air strike against Iran.

The National Guard was prevented from leaving Maryland to support the capitol police the other day. It seems those orders came down the command chain that Trump had changed in the last month or so to replace military folks with his own loyalists.

Trump is a drug addicted narcissist suddenly facing a dramatic and public loss of status, that is the sort of person who is liable to behave recklessly. He has many powers that could result in worrying outcomes should the mood take him.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pm With about 2 weeks left in office, Trump may be facing another impeachment attempt proposed by Democrats.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

It sort of seems like a mistake to me. He only has just under 2 weeks left in office and this is just going to infuriate Trump's supporters that much more, feeding into their beliefs about "the swamp" and whatnot--probably with more riots and violence--as well as strengthen his cause among various people in this country. It'll just make a martyr out of him to his followers. Why not just let him go for the two weeks? He'll be out soon enough.

as I understand it: if they impeach and convict him, he can't run for public office again

if this is the case: a conviction now, prevents his run in '24

but, I might be wrong...I'm rememberin' sumthin' I read, and my memory ain't the best

tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:22 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:47 pm

tillingborn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:32 pm I don't think that many people who might have been swayed by the Hunter Biden laptop story were not aware of it

I do.

Again, I must respectfully disagree.

It's your right to do so.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pm With about 2 weeks left in office, Trump may be facing another impeachment attempt proposed by Democrats.

It sort of seems like a mistake to me. He only has just under 2 weeks left in office and this is just going to infuriate Trump's supporters that much more, feeding into their beliefs about "the swamp" and whatnot--probably with more riots and violence--as well as strengthen his cause among various people in this country. It'll just make a martyr out of him to his followers. Why not just let him go for the two weeks? He'll be out soon enough.

High-ranking Republicans and cabinet members are publicly acknowledging that Trump is a danger. They are up close, and seeing it for themselves -- whereas Trump supporters are rabid with delusions that can only be dispelled by the liar they support and follow. Is it best to avoid doing the right thing for everyone in order to cater to such supporters? Are we to be directed/defined by the volatility of lies and stupidity expressed as rage?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:53 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pm With about 2 weeks left in office, Trump may be facing another impeachment attempt proposed by Democrats.

It sort of seems like a mistake to me. He only has just under 2 weeks left in office and this is just going to infuriate Trump's supporters that much more, feeding into their beliefs about "the swamp" and whatnot--probably with more riots and violence--as well as strengthen his cause among various people in this country. It'll just make a martyr out of him to his followers. Why not just let him go for the two weeks? He'll be out soon enough.

High-ranking Republicans and cabinet members now publicly acknowledge that Trump is a danger. They are up close, and see it for themselves -- whereas Trump supporters are rabid with delusions that can only be dispelled by the liar they mindlessly follow. Is it best to avoid doing the right thing for everyone in order to cater to such supporters? Are we to be directed by the volatility of lies and stupidity expressed as rage?

These mobs can come back again and vote for Trump in the next election.

Germany was a civilised country until Hitler. People could not believe that Germany could become so chaotic. It takes one dictator unhinged or not to channel discontent into extreme nationalism.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:53 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pm With about 2 weeks left in office, Trump may be facing another impeachment attempt proposed by Democrats.

It sort of seems like a mistake to me. He only has just under 2 weeks left in office and this is just going to infuriate Trump's supporters that much more, feeding into their beliefs about "the swamp" and whatnot--probably with more riots and violence--as well as strengthen his cause among various people in this country. It'll just make a martyr out of him to his followers. Why not just let him go for the two weeks? He'll be out soon enough.

High-ranking Republicans and cabinet members are publicly acknowledging that Trump is a danger. They are up close, and seeing it for themselves -- whereas Trump supporters are rabid with delusions that can only be dispelled by the liar they support and follow. Is it best to avoid doing the right thing for everyone in order to cater to such supporters? Are we to be directed/defined by the volatility of lies and stupidity expressed as rage?

Yeah. That's a good point also. Maybe Pelosi and the Democrats are right on this. Just tired of hearing about the "swamp" and all this conspiracy stuff. But I guess his supporters are going to say that whether he is impeached or not impeached. Sigh. What can you do?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:28 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:53 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pm With about 2 weeks left in office, Trump may be facing another impeachment attempt proposed by Democrats.

It sort of seems like a mistake to me. He only has just under 2 weeks left in office and this is just going to infuriate Trump's supporters that much more, feeding into their beliefs about "the swamp" and whatnot--probably with more riots and violence--as well as strengthen his cause among various people in this country. It'll just make a martyr out of him to his followers. Why not just let him go for the two weeks? He'll be out soon enough.

High-ranking Republicans and cabinet members are publicly acknowledging that Trump is a danger. They are up close, and seeing it for themselves -- whereas Trump supporters are rabid with delusions that can only be dispelled by the liar they support and follow. Is it best to avoid doing the right thing for everyone in order to cater to such supporters? Are we to be directed/defined by the volatility of lies and stupidity expressed as rage?

Yeah. That's a good point also. Maybe Pelosi and the Democrats are right on this. Just tired of hearing about the "swamp" and all this conspiracy stuff. But I guess his supporters are going to say that whether he is impeached or not impeached. Sigh. What can you do?

What could have stopped Hitler fascism?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:57 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 4:11 pm With about 2 weeks left in office, Trump may be facing another impeachment attempt proposed by Democrats.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

It sort of seems like a mistake to me. He only has just under 2 weeks left in office and this is just going to infuriate Trump's supporters that much more, feeding into their beliefs about "the swamp" and whatnot--probably with more riots and violence--as well as strengthen his cause among various people in this country. It'll just make a martyr out of him to his followers. Why not just let him go for the two weeks? He'll be out soon enough.

If they impeach and remove him, he will surely get a presidential pardon, but he will lose the ability to sell those same pardons. He will lose the ability to launch a last minute air strike against Iran.

Yeah. Good point. Presidential powers have gotten pretty scary in the past decades, being able to essentially declare war without congressional approval. I hope they review all this in lieu of what can happen if a future president comes unhinged or acts as a rogue leader. Otherwise, we all pay for it.

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:34 pm What could have stopped Hitler fascism?

The guy who decides who gets into art school

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:03 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:34 pm What could have stopped Hitler fascism?

The guy who decides who gets into art school

Oi! Y the F**k did U have to bring God into this?

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:34 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:28 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:53 pm
High-ranking Republicans and cabinet members are publicly acknowledging that Trump is a danger. They are up close, and seeing it for themselves -- whereas Trump supporters are rabid with delusions that can only be dispelled by the liar they support and follow. Is it best to avoid doing the right thing for everyone in order to cater to such supporters? Are we to be directed/defined by the volatility of lies and stupidity expressed as rage?

Yeah. That's a good point also. Maybe Pelosi and the Democrats are right on this. Just tired of hearing about the "swamp" and all this conspiracy stuff. But I guess his supporters are going to say that whether he is impeached or not impeached. Sigh. What can you do?

What could have stopped Hitler fascism?

Outside of what actually did stop Hitler, I don't know.