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phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 8:03 pm Studies show that exercise improves mood, lessens anxiety and depression.

But it's your life.

It's difficult to describe anhedonia to someone who isn't experiencing it. Such is life.

I had to look it up.

One of the ways to alleviate symptoms is apparently exercise.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 1:41 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 1:14 pm

Everyone eventually seeks peace of mind, ...

nope

Piece of Mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeJu_eQPKKI

if you're gonna die, die with your boots on...

-Imp

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 6:02 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2026 11:10 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2026 10:21 pm

That's exactly my position.

Which one of the above? There are two.

Both. I don't think anyone has a way of knowing for sure that they know God since it's all ultimately speculation and it's possible that some might have their speculations accurate, that's possible and I don't know who they'd be.

I'm not clear on your position, Gary. It looks like you're saying "nobody knows," but then, how are you going to know that? You say it's possible...but how do you know that, either? The only part I think I understand clearly is your claim that you don't know.

Maybe you can clear all that up for me.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 11:07 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 6:02 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2026 11:10 pm
Which one of the above? There are two.

Both. I don't think anyone has a way of knowing for sure that they know God since it's all ultimately speculation and it's possible that some might have their speculations accurate, that's possible and I don't know who they'd be.

I'm not clear on your position, Gary. It looks like you're saying "nobody knows," but then, how are you going to know that? You say it's possible...but how do you know that, either? The only part I think I understand clearly is your claim that you don't know.

Maybe you can clear all that up for me.

If God = the creator of all that is, how would you know that something is the creator of all that is. If it tells you it is, then is it telling the truth or is it deceiving you or mistaken. The only way to know for sure would be to witness the creator creating the universe. Since we are presumably not able to observe that, being logically impossible as well, we are always speculating that our beliefs are accurate or based on accurate testimony. If that's not true for you, then I assume you were there to witness the creator creating the universe. If not, then you are like me. All you could have is the testimony of something that tells us it is the creator of all that is.

phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 8:58 pm I had to look it up.

One of the ways to alleviate symptoms is apparently exercise.

If you had schizophrenia, you would understand. Severe mental illness is like no other disease. It breaks you. And you will never be whole again.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 11:32 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 11:07 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 6:02 am

Both. I don't think anyone has a way of knowing for sure that they know God since it's all ultimately speculation and it's possible that some might have their speculations accurate, that's possible and I don't know who they'd be.

I'm not clear on your position, Gary. It looks like you're saying "nobody knows," but then, how are you going to know that? You say it's possible...but how do you know that, either? The only part I think I understand clearly is your claim that you don't know.

Maybe you can clear all that up for me.

If God = the creator of all that is, how would you know that something is the creator of all that is. If it tells you it is, then is it telling the truth or is it deceiving you or mistaken. The only way to know for sure would be to witness the creator creating the universe. Since we are presumably not able to observe that, being logically impossible as well, we are always speculating that our beliefs are accurate or based on accurate testimony. If that's not true for you, then I assume you were there to witness the creator creating the universe. If not, then you are like me. All you could have is the testimony of something that tells us it is the creator of all that is.

Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that you don't know if God tells the truth?

Well, from a Christian and Jewish perspective, there's got to be nothing else the Supreme Being can tell. If you read in Genesis, you find out that God spoke all things into existence. His word is why things are the way they are. That means that His word IS reality. It determines what is real. So analytically, it's impossible for God to tell anything but the truth.

However, you must have some sort of lesser being or demigod in mind. They could conceivably lie, without it redefining reality itself.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 12:01 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 11:32 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 11:07 pm
I'm not clear on your position, Gary. It looks like you're saying "nobody knows," but then, how are you going to know that? You say it's possible...but how do you know that, either? The only part I think I understand clearly is your claim that you don't know.

Maybe you can clear all that up for me.

If God = the creator of all that is, how would you know that something is the creator of all that is. If it tells you it is, then is it telling the truth or is it deceiving you or mistaken. The only way to know for sure would be to witness the creator creating the universe. Since we are presumably not able to observe that, being logically impossible as well, we are always speculating that our beliefs are accurate or based on accurate testimony. If that's not true for you, then I assume you were there to witness the creator creating the universe. If not, then you are like me. All you could have is the testimony of something that tells us it is the creator of all that is.

Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that you don't know if God tells the truth?

No. It's saying I don't know that something is God, therefore, I don't know if it's telling the truth. There's a difference.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 12:12 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 12:01 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 11:32 pm

If God = the creator of all that is, how would you know that something is the creator of all that is. If it tells you it is, then is it telling the truth or is it deceiving you or mistaken. The only way to know for sure would be to witness the creator creating the universe. Since we are presumably not able to observe that, being logically impossible as well, we are always speculating that our beliefs are accurate or based on accurate testimony. If that's not true for you, then I assume you were there to witness the creator creating the universe. If not, then you are like me. All you could have is the testimony of something that tells us it is the creator of all that is.

Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that you don't know if God tells the truth?

No. It's saying I don't know that something is God, therefore, I don't know if it's telling the truth. There's a difference.

Okay, go ahead...what's the difference? I think I get it, but I want to be sure I'm understanding you. What would the "something" be that you're uncertain is God?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 1:51 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 12:12 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 12:01 am
Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that you don't know if God tells the truth?

No. It's saying I don't know that something is God, therefore, I don't know if it's telling the truth. There's a difference.

Okay, go ahead...what's the difference? I think I get it, but I want to be sure I'm understanding you. What would the "something" be that you're uncertain is God?

Well, according to many religions (including Christianity) it could be a demon or lesser being. Could be an advanced intelligence that did not create the universe. Could be hallucination or delusion.

The Biblical account of God sounds almost demonic to me. God being more or less a tribal war God and fertility God. Would the creator of all that is be as morally unsophisticated as the Biblical God?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 1:58 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 1:51 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 12:12 am
No. It's saying I don't know that something is God, therefore, I don't know if it's telling the truth. There's a difference.

Okay, go ahead...what's the difference? I think I get it, but I want to be sure I'm understanding you. What would the "something" be that you're uncertain is God?

Well, according to many religions (including Christianity) it could be a demon or lesser being.

You're saying you're in communication with a demon or lesser being? Or some other alien? Or delusions and hallucinations?

Or are you just saying you think that "religious" people are? But how would you decide that?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 2:04 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 1:58 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 1:51 am
Okay, go ahead...what's the difference? I think I get it, but I want to be sure I'm understanding you. What would the "something" be that you're uncertain is God?

Well, according to many religions (including Christianity) it could be a demon or lesser being.

You're saying you're in communication with a demon or lesser being? Or some other alien? Or delusions and hallucinations?

Or are you just saying you think that "religious" people are? But how would you decide that?

I don't claim to be in communication with anything other than people. You claim to be in communication with the supreme being. My point is I don't know and I don't think any human can.

I spend most of my time angry. And nothing makes me angrier than the idea that there are sinister people running our government and keeping us constantly in conflicts with other countries.

Of course, anger is not a constructive emotion. Why am I so combative? Why am I always so angry? Should I not be angry at the way the world is run by those who move the levers of power? Is there something wrong with me? Or do I have a right to be angry? Do I have good reason to be angry? Or is anger just going to make things worse?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 4:17 am I spend most of my time angry. And nothing makes me angrier than the idea that there are sinister people running our government and keeping us constantly in conflicts with other countries.

Of course, anger is not a constructive emotion. Why am I so combative? Why am I always so angry? Should I not be angry at the way the world is run by those who move the levers of power? Is there something wrong with me? Or do I have a right to be angry? Do I have good reason to be angry? Or is anger just going to make things worse?

Anger can be a constructive emotion. It is a strong motivation. But in those situations it leads to constructing something. What would you want to construct that at the same time fits what you are capable of right now in your life. If that anger led to making things slightly better for yourself, and I mean slightly better, just a bit, that would be great. Unlikely that that would be something that affected those in power, which is fine.

I am not sure thinking of your own emotions in terms of rights is helpful. Anger is one of the core emotions. The onus would be on someone saying you shouldn't get angry. And note: anger is not violence. Anger is an emotion. Is there any reason that it is wrong to feel anger in your home? I can't imagine what that would be. Is there a reason it is wrong to feel angry and toxic power? I can't see what that would be. Is there something wrong with feeling anger when your boundaries are violated, for example? I can see what that would be.

One pattern where anger can be a problem, even when there is no dumping it on others or violence, is when it is used to avoid other emotions, like fear and grief. That pattern can be harmful. Once protective, perhaps, but now not so useful. But that's not hurting others, it's more like a habit that is no longer good for you. And my mentioning this does not mean I think that is what is happening.

Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 9:39 pm

Stillness can be found in motion, like the stillness of a spinning top’s virtual axis, stillness while the mind and body swirls around the stillness. Meditation encourages that kind of peace.

Because of the mind-body link, periodically pausing and relaxing the facial muscles can soothe the mind, especially for schizophrenics, and it’s so easy to do. Begin with the face and the body will follow.

Totally relaxed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grBmQwL ... QSEGCbUghJ