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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Do you think there is something in "Atheism" that supports immorality?

Excellent question. Don't expect any answers though (keeping in mind that those clowns refuse to define either morality or immorality).

Actually, the answer's easy, and it's what I've been saying all along.

Atheism evacuates the whole field of any moral values. Then, if people are inherently perfectly moral, there won't be a problem, because perfect people don't need rules anyway. But if those people have any inclination toward evil, however big or small, then that inclination will be morally liberated for expression by Atheism.

NOTHING a person can desire to do will be able to be held back as morally "bad." And nothing will be recommendable as morally "good."

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I don't remember the last genocide I committed. It must have slipped my mind.

148 million were killed by your fellow Atheists in the last century. You might not have personally committed it, but others of your ideology were not so squeamish.

Immanuel Can wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Do you think there is something in "Atheism" that supports immorality?

Excellent question. Don't expect any answers though (keeping in mind that those clowns refuse to define either morality or immorality).

Actually, the answer's easy, and it's what I've been saying all along.

Atheism evacuates the whole field of any moral values. Then, if people are inherently perfectly moral, there won't be a problem, because perfect people don't need rules anyway. But if those people have any inclination toward evil, however big or small, then that inclination will be morally liberated for expression by Atheism.

NOTHING a person can desire to do will be able to be held back as morally "bad." And nothing will be recommendable as morally "good."

Actually, your babble has the opposite effect; it makes shit-heads behave even more shittily because your god does so many shitty things in it. Unfortunately it's mostly idiots who read it.

Immanuel Can wrote:Let me even hand you an easy one: is there anything inherent to being an Atheist that makes it morally bad for an Atheist to commit genocide?

Most people will instinctively say that's "bad." Would an Atheist be bound to do the same? And why?

Most people would indeed instinctively say that's "bad". The exceptions are the ones who think god sending a flood to wipe out almost the entire human race is "good".

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: I see you hastily 'edited' after reading my comment.

No, I edited it before I saw your post, so you're wrong again.

Immanuel Can wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I don't remember the last genocide I committed. It must have slipped my mind.

148 million were killed by your fellow Atheists in the last century. You might not have personally committed it, but others of your ideology were not so squeamish.

What the fuck is an 'Atheist'? You are really starting to get on my nerves. Power-crazed dictators are a HUMAN problem, fuckhead! Far more kristians followed them than non-kristians.

thedoc wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: I see you hastily 'edited' after reading my comment.

No, I edited it before I saw your post, so you're wrong again.

Liar.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Immanuel Can wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I don't remember the last genocide I committed. It must have slipped my mind.

148 million were killed by your fellow Atheists in the last century. You might not have personally committed it, but others of your ideology were not so squeamish.

What the fuck is an 'Atheist'? You are really starting to get on my nerves. Power-crazed dictators are a HUMAN problem, fuckhead! Just as many kristians followed them as non-kristians.

History. You should read some of it. It would help a lot.

And numbers. You should learn to count.

Then you'd be impressed by the fact that the total of human deaths in religious wars is no greater than 7% of the total deaths, of which 3.5% are attributable solely to the "Religion of Peace." The remaining 3.5% are the total of all the dead in ALL the other religious wars in the entirety of history -- Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, Buddhists, Animists...and so on.

Many "religious" traditions have never caused a single war. Their count is 0%.

But as I said, you'll need to understand numbers first.

Now answer my very simple question, if you can.

Never mind. I know you can't.

Immanuel Can wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I don't remember the last genocide I committed. It must have slipped my mind.

148 million were killed by your fellow Atheists in the last century. You might not have personally committed it, but others of your ideology were not so squeamish.

Since you see fit to tar us with the same brush as Hitler and Stalin, presumably you accept the same responsibility for all the atrocities done in the name of some old god or other.

Immanuel Can wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Immanuel Can wrote:
148 million were killed by your fellow Atheists in the last century. You might not have personally committed it, but others of your ideology were not so squeamish.

What the fuck is an 'Atheist'? You are really starting to get on my nerves. Power-crazed dictators are a HUMAN problem, fuckhead! Just as many kristians followed them as non-kristians.

History. You should read some of it. It would help a lot.

And numbers. You should learn to count.

Then you'd be impressed by the fact that the total of human deaths in religious wars is no greater than 7% of the total deaths, of which 3.5% are attributable solely to the "Religion of Peace." The remaining 3.5% are the total of all the dead in ALL the other religious wars in the entirety of history -- Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, Buddhists, Animists...and so on.

Many "religious" traditions have never caused a single war. Their count is 0%.

But as I said, you'll need to understand numbers first.

Now answer my very simple question, if you can.

Never mind. I know you can't.

You don't even make any sense. What were the other 93 percent of deaths? Horses?

Immanuel Can wrote:And numbers. You should learn to count.

So it's not the quality of murder, it's the quantity. Of all the people who have ever lived, what proportion will go to your heaven? You should learn to count. Your god not only kills everyone, he tortures most of them forever after.

uwot wrote:

Immanuel Can wrote:Let me even hand you an easy one: is there anything inherent to being an Atheist that makes it morally bad for an Atheist to commit genocide?

Most people will instinctively say that's "bad." Would an Atheist be bound to do the same? And why?

Most people would indeed instinctively say that's "bad". The exceptions are the ones who think god sending a flood to wipe out almost the entire human race is "good".

An Atheist will read it as genocide, a theist will read it as cleansing the Earth of people who refused to be good. I read it as Mythology that is misunderstood by most people, for example, "the Whole World was Flooded", the whole world that Noah could see, depending on how high you are above the surface of the water. About 12 to 15 miles if Noah were standing on the deck of the ark 25 feet off the water, and anything that was beyond the horizon that was above the water level would be farther away. But that is still a very small area compared to the surface of the whole Earth, and Noah couldn't see the whole surface of the Earth. (I don't believe any of the Creationists claims about the flood.)

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

thedoc wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: I see you hastily 'edited' after reading my comment.

No, I edited it before I saw your post, so you're wrong again.

Liar.

Ah, abuse and name calling, Thankyou.

Immanuel Can wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Immanuel Can wrote:
148 million were killed by your fellow Atheists in the last century. You might not have personally committed it, but others of your ideology were not so squeamish.

What the fuck is an 'Atheist'? You are really starting to get on my nerves. Power-crazed dictators are a HUMAN problem, fuckhead! Just as many kristians followed them as non-kristians.

History. You should read some of it. It would help a lot.

And numbers. You should learn to count.

Then you'd be impressed by the fact that the total of human deaths in religious wars is no greater than 7% of the total deaths, of which 3.5% are attributable solely to the "Religion of Peace." The remaining 3.5% are the total of all the dead in ALL the other religious wars in the entirety of history -- Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, Buddhists, Animists...and so on.

Many "religious" traditions have never caused a single war. Their count is 0%.

But as I said, you'll need to understand numbers first.

Now answer my very simple question, if you can.

Never mind. I know you can't.

Germans are very religious people. So are Russians. Most of the killing was done by kristians. I don't even have an interest in 'arguing' this point. You are the one who has forced it. Are you suggesting that the reason all those jews were murdered had nothing to do with religion?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Are you suggesting that the reason all those jews were murdered had nothing to do with religion?

The Jews were killed by atheists because the Jews were religious, Hitler and the Nazi's were not Christian by any measure, no matter what anti-theists claim.