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Kayla wrote:

ForgedinHell wrote:

Kayla wrote:
i was told it is a fake in sunday school when i was like 8

LOL. They trusted you with that information? Good for them. Too bad all churches can't be so sensible.

protestant churches - and baptists are protestant however much they deny it - are not big on religious relics

the belief that prayer is an excellent supplement - not a replacement - for conventional medicine is the norm in my neck of the woods - the prayers go directly to the guy upstairs there is no need to channel divine power through any physical object

This is risible. SO you want us to believe that asking for something is going to change the mind of a supreme being? And that the more you ask, and the more people that ask, is going to have more chance to change the mind of an omnipotent being?

This ought to strike you as asinine.

chaz wyman wrote:This is risible. SO you want us to believe that asking for something is going to change the mind of a supreme being? And that the more you ask, and the more people that ask, is going to have more chance to change the mind of an omnipotent being?

i never understood people spending a lot of time praying for some particular thing

after my kid brother was born he had to spend some time in icu i spent like two minutes praying for his recovery - i listed the reasons for a divine intervention and left it at that

i just could not see why spending more time would make divine intervention more likely - since the guy upstairs has full information on what is going and and has received the requests as soon as you have made them

Kayla wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:This is risible. SO you want us to believe that asking for something is going to change the mind of a supreme being? And that the more you ask, and the more people that ask, is going to have more chance to change the mind of an omnipotent being?

i never understood people spending a lot of time praying for some particular thing

after my kid brother was born he had to spend some time in icu i spent like two minutes praying for his recovery - i listed the reasons for a divine intervention and left it at that

i just could not see why spending more time would make divine intervention more likely - since the guy upstairs has full information on what is going and and has received the requests as soon as you have made them

Ever heard "I've been praying for you everyday?"

But I asked you if you expect me to believe that prayer can change the mind of a supreme being. It seems you do in fact think so. Once is enough to be ridiculous, twice is stupid.

chaz wyman wrote: Ever heard "I've been praying for you everyday?"

never understood it

i am sure god does not like being badgered any more than anyone else

Kayla wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Ever heard "I've been praying for you everyday?"

never understood it

i am sure god does not like being badgered any more than anyone else

You avoided the rest of the post. Praying once is just as absurd.

chaz wyman wrote:You avoided the rest of the post. Praying once is just as absurd.

why

god is not some impersonal computing thing that knows all and thus knows the best outcomes and we have nothing to say in the matter

the fact that someone cares enough about an issue to turn to god is itself something extra to consider

I think actions speak louder than prayers.
Amen,

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MJA wrote:I think actions speak louder than prayers.
Amen,

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As long as you don't prey. If only God was as benevolent as man has attempted to portray it.

Did The Buddha write anything?

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No, and none of his contemporaries did either. Very strict and exacting methods of relaying stories and sayings of the Buddha came into play not long after his death and continued for hundreds of years before the Pali canon came into being.

Bernard wrote:No, and none of his contemporaries did either. Very strict and exacting methods of relaying stories and sayings of the Buddha came into play not long after his death and continued for hundreds of years before the Pali canon came into being.

Q: a "Pali canon"?

Kayla wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:You avoided the rest of the post. Praying once is just as absurd.

why

god is not some impersonal computing thing that knows all and thus knows the best outcomes and we have nothing to say in the matter

the fact that someone cares enough about an issue to turn to god is itself something extra to consider

And if this is the case that god is so powerless to not know shit , then continual and repeated prayer ought to do more than a single prayer. Logically he could be convinced.