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Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:19 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:10 am Final decisions are infinite in scope.

There’s no way to reverse or irreverse a final decision once it has been made. Decisions made happen only once.

Shame. You've never undone a decision? Never decided that your previous decision needs to be vetoed?

Never changed your mind?

Yes, you can change your final decision to another final decision. Decisions are infinite in scope.

All the grey areas between final decisions are irrelevant once the decision is made.

The nature of reality is a mental dual phenomenon. It’s either on or off. Unconscious or Conscious but never both at the same time, neither anything in between the two opposing yet complimentary contrasting principles presented often as and either, or, framework.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:29 am All the grey areas between final decisions are irrelevant once the decision is made.

Irrelevant how?

If I can undo a previously-made "final" decision then it wasn't "final". Was it?

There's "finality" as in recency; and there's "finality" as in permanence.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:33 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:29 am All the grey areas between final decisions are irrelevant once the decision is made.

Irrelevant how?

If I can undo a previously-made "final" decision then it wasn't "final". Was it?

It was at the time of making it.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:36 am It was at the time of making it.

So at the time of making it was it going to be a final decision; or were you going to change it in future?

You cannot undo a final decision once it’s made. But you can make a new decision if you change your mind about the last decision. That change of mind will not change the fact that the last decision was final. And your new changed decision will also be final.


You can change what is final into another final. Ultimately every decision we make is binary. Either yes or no, but never is a final decision a maybe. Maybe’s belong to the past or future that does not exist in the immediate present.

Every, as in each final decision made can be infinite and many in scope, but each and the many decisions made,will always be final.

I don’t know why this is so difficult to comprehend.

There is no future or past, there’s only the ever motionless now, where every decision happens instantaneously without hesitation, and can never be unmade or changed once it is made. Because even changing a final decision is changing one final decision into another final decision in the instantaneous moment the decision is made. There’s no Time Machine all decisions are spontaneous and instantaneous in the present, and never of past or future tense.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:58 am You cannot undo a final decision once it’s made.

Eh? The act of undoing it implies that there was nothing "final" about it.

I put on a green t-shirt today. Then I undid that decision; and decided to wear a blue one.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:58 am But you can make a new decision if you change your mind about the last decision. That change of mind will not change the fact that the last decision was final.

What was so "final" about it? I am not wearing a green t-shirt anymore.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:58 am And your new changed decision will also be final.

So "final" I'll be wearing a different t-shirt tomorrow.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:58 am Every, as in each final decision made can be infinite and many in scope, but each and the many decisions made,will always be final.

I don’t know why this is so difficult to comprehend.

What's so hard about comprehending that a "final" decision...wasn't?

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:58 am There is no future or past, there’s only the ever motionless now

That's some latrine-level philosophy. If there's no motion what finalizes a decision?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:33 am

There's "finality" as in recency; and there's "finality" as in permanence.

A final answer is never permanent if the answer can be changed to another final answer. Nothing is permanent. The mind is subject to change.

Mind cannot recognise permanence, or something changeless, or fixed.


Could a final decision to say (yes) made in the exact immediacy of the present moment.. ever have been a (not yes) ...or any of these decisions > a dither decision, a ponder decision, an undecisive decision, an unresolved decision, an inconclusive decision, an hmm decision, a maybe decision, or an idk decision ?

I don't think so. Nuh uh!

A final decision is either yes or no. Binary.

Let your yes be yes, and your no be no, now.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:21 am
That's some latrine-level philosophy. If there's no motion what finalizes a decision?

The mind. Tis only the mind that moves, not the observation of mind.

Change is observed by changeless observation.

It's not latrine, this requires very deep metaphysical thinking.

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:35 am The mind. Tis only the mind that moves, not the observation of mind.

Change is observed by changeless observation.

It's not latrine, this requires very deep metaphysical thinking.

My mind's already imagined me wearing a blue t-shirt.
My body is still wearing the green one.

When is the mind going to finalize the decision to wear a blue one?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:54 am
My mind's already imagined me wearing a blue t-shirt. My body is still wearing the green one.

The body is wearing a green t shirt because the decision to wear a green t shirt was decided upon. At some point in time, you decided (yes) to wearing a green one, and not a (no) to wearing the green one. That's why your body is wearing the green t shirt, and not anything but the green one.

The mind, can then change, the mind can start to dither and ponder about a decision to wear a blue t shirt, instead of a green shirt. The mind can change to imagining what it would be like to wear a blue one instead of a green one..

If and when the mind makes the decision to change from green to blue, there will be a ( yes) to wearing a blue one, instead of a green one, when the decision to wear the blue one actually happens. The (yes ) to wearing the blue one instead of the green one, will only happen when there is a (yes) decision to change to wearing the blue one.

The (yes) decision to wear the blue one will only happen when the (yes) decision is meant to happen and not one second before. Just like when the (yes) decision was made to wear the green one happened, that happened only when it was meant to happen.

There is no such decision as an undecided decision made in the immediate moment. There can however, be a pending process, where there is a moment of (will I (or) won't I ) ....but ultimately, the final decision will either be a (yes) or a (no) decision, a binary decision, of what colour shirt to wear or not to wear

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:54 amMy body is still wearing the green one.

Okay, yes, that's because your body cannot wear anything but the colour it is currently wearing.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:54 amWhen is the mind going to finalize the decision to wear a blue one?

When it makes the decision to change from green to blue. The decision to wear blue, instead of green, becomes the new final binary decision of (yes) to wearing a blue one.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 2:18 am ..ultimately.

Quadratic.

Yes.
No.
Both.
Neither.

You forgot: bollocks.

Ultimately….If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

So yeah bollocks to the misfits.

LuckyR wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 8:12 am Pick a number between one and three.

2 or not 2

Or 2.1 or not 2.1

Ad infinitum