Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:56 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:14 am
godelian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:15 am
You cannot be sure if it is innate or learned.
Why not?
From psychology and evolutionary psychology, we can infer whether it is innate or learned.
Innate or learned?
It is the list of rules that you believe to constitute natural morality that is just a word salad.
You somehow believe that your haphazardly concocted word salad exactly matches the biological firmware built into humans.
You believe that you can achieve that kind of magic without being able to read or reverse engineer the source code of the biological firmware, which is written in a programming language that nobody on this planet even understands.
Fine, you believe in your own superpowers but why would anyone else believe in them?
Nope, the moral maxim genocide is evil is inferred as innate is inferred from sciences of anthropology, psychology and evolutionary psychology.
There are loads of research to claim the innateness of morality, e.g.
Morality is not just something that people learn, argues Yale psychologist Paul Bloom: It is something we are all born with. At birth, babies are endowed with compassion, with empathy, with the beginnings of a sense of fairness. It is from these beginnings, he argues in his new book Just Babies, that adults develop their sense of right and wrong, their desire to do good — and, at times, their capacity to do terrible things.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... of-babies/
Indeed the social animal, and humans are social animals, is innately equipped with a sense of fairness. However that sense of fairness must be nurtured by whoever rears the child. If the child is reared by sadists he will become a sadist unless he subsequently learns different.
Not humans only but other mammal species too are taught by significant others. The canine bitch with pups will teach them how to behave , even to the extent of learning the basics of herding sheep or defending others.
Fairness in Animals's DNA: that remind me of this:
Two Monkeys Were Paid Unequally: Frans de Waal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg
Humans are embedded with an innate/inherent moral functions with certain innate moral maxims. They are coded in the DNA and subsequent expressed in humans and as evident from empirical evidences, e.g. the link above.
Yes, there is a need for nurturing to refine these innate moral maxims in practice.
However, these inherent sets of neurons are embedded deep in the brain as innate and they are always there as they are unless damaged for some reasons.
In practice, the innate moral impulses has to go through various paths before they can motivate moral consciousness and actions.
If the subsequent impulses are hijacked by stronger and more dominant psychopathic neurons, then the person's inherent morality will not be expressed, thus ending as a sadist, murderer, violent or evil person.
What is critical here is where the inherent moral function and moral maxims are dominated and overridden by the more dominant terrific existential terror of hell related to religion, e.g. in Islam.
The option to believers within Islam is the immutable "commit the immoral Q5:33 [kill believers] or end up in hell"; to avoid hell which is more terrible, the inherent weaker moral function is suppressed by this threat of hell. This is why it is so evident there are so many supposedly goody-two-shoes suddenly appeared on TV as Islamic suicide bombers which surprised their families.
The seriousness of the danger of that religion is, if only 10% of believers' inherent moral function is weakened by the threat of hell, we have 150 million
of potential evil laden believers. Even if it is 1% there is 15 millions
of them and it only took 20++ to do a 911
.
In contrast, Christianity's "love even your enemies, do NOT kill or else end up in hell" default do not suppress the inherent moral functions but enable it to be nurtured to be more morally competent.
Because there is no suppression, even if Christians committed evil acts not as a Christian per-se but as a human, Christianity provide room for the sinful evil person [believer] to progress morally in future.