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Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 11:21 am**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 12:14 am
Maia wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 8:39 am

A mind is capable of achieving many things, and literacy is only one of them. Not even the most important, by a long way, as the vast majority of people in history have been illiterate, but still had a mind.
Are you aware that the topic of our discussion was a Noun? Are you aware that you suddenly claimed that a Verb was now the topic? So, answer me this, is it possible, in any manner, that a member of a class can in anywise change the definition of the class of which it is a member? You pulled an old Sophist trick. Every member of a class is a member of that class in accordance with the definition of that class, therefore no member of a class is distinguishable from any other member of that class by definition, i.e., every class, no matter how constructed, is contiguous with the definition. Therefore, the Law of equality stands; what may be predicated of any thing is wholly determined by the definition of that thing. This is why no one has been able to figure out why they keep contradicting themselves when trying to write a consistent Set Theory, or Group Theory. They really are not aware of what they are doing.
A verb is a given in the universe, grammar is simply learning how to parse it correctly. There is no magic in it. As I said, I do not care that people make their own life a shit pile. I, try not to be deceived about it though.

Sun Tzu was an idiot. As a mind can only be or not be literate, the Art of War can only be practiced by the literate.

Nouns can easily become verbs in English, and verbs can easily become nouns, too, in gerund form.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 1:06 pm**

Maia wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 11:21 am

Nouns can easily become verbs in English, and verbs can easily become nouns, too, in gerund form.

Not at all. Words do not transform themselves. Words are not, in any fashion anthropomorphic. We determine their use based upon a binary codex.
We construct the names of quality and quantity of everything.
Our Grammar matrix affords us the ability to manage the perceptible world through four distinct categories of naming. Grammar is information mapping of behavior. Our behavior. A noun often requires a group of names, not just one, the whole group is a noun, like Ten dollars, three ones and twenty five cents was spent. All the words before was is one single name, and spent is the verb. and was denotes a a time stamp of when. We manage names, they do not, in of themselves do anything. We parse information for storage and retrieval, so that we can create virtual constructs, using them as a mapping of memory, and also how we manage the map. We use names to guide our behavior towards the environment.

A mind is used to regulate our behavior. and grammars are indexing, mapping systems. No word, or group of them, do anything. We do.
So, as in one grammar so too in them all.
Have you never realized that we take digits to make a number, we process the numbers to make, just another number? Plato called it also, the one in the many and the many in the one. No matter which grammar you use the product will always be just another name in that convention.

They all end up, as naming some one thing.

The alphabet becomes a larger alpha bet, but the product is always, no matter how long, just another name.

One must be able to parse that name just like you parse, memory of perceptions, or proposed perceptible constructs.

No matter how you process names, the product is always a name.

Words, in of themselves have no meaning. We learn what the environment means, and we learn how to apply meaningful responses in order to regulate the whole ecosystem.

Claiming that words are a this or that, that they mean anything, simply means, you are confusing the self with the not self. You are not self aware.

If you cannot map your own behavior using symbolic systems of grammar, you cannot manage any behavior at all.

Know Thyself.

It takes a Grammar Matrix to map our own behavior. just like it takes a Grammar Matrix to build a civilization.

The end result, is it is either good or evil.
It either maintains and promotes life, or it does not.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 2:04 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 1:06 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 11:21 am

Nouns can easily become verbs in English, and verbs can easily become nouns, too, in gerund form.
Not at all. Words do not transform themselves. Words are not, in any fashion anthropomorphic. We determine their use based upon a binary codex.
We construct the names of quality and quantity of everything.
Our Grammar matrix affords us the ability to manage the perceptible world through four distinct categories of naming. Grammar is information mapping of behavior. Our behavior. A noun often requires a group of names, not just one, the whole group is a noun, like Ten dollars, three ones and twenty five cents was spent. All the words before was is one single name, and spent is the verb. and was denotes a a time stamp of when. We manage names, they do not, in of themselves do anything. We parse information for storage and retrieval, so that we can create virtual constructs, using them as a mapping of memory, and also how we manage the map. We use names to guide our behavior towards the environment.

A mind is used to regulate our behavior. and grammars are indexing, mapping systems. No word, or group of them, do anything. We do.
So, as in one grammar so too in them all.
Have you never realized that we take digits to make a number, we process the numbers to make, just another number? Plato called it also, the one in the many and the many in the one. No matter which grammar you use the product will always be just another name in that convention.

They all end up, as naming some one thing.

The alphabet becomes a larger alpha bet, but the product is always, no matter how long, just another name.

One must be able to parse that name just like you parse, memory of perceptions, or proposed perceptible constructs.

No matter how you process names, the product is always a name.

Words, in of themselves have no meaning. We learn what the environment means, and we learn how to apply meaningful responses in order to regulate the whole ecosystem.

Claiming that words are a this or that, that they mean anything, simply means, you are confusing the self with the not self. You are not self aware.

If you cannot map your own behavior using symbolic systems of grammar, you cannot manage any behavior at all.

Know Thyself.

It takes a Grammar Matrix to map our own behavior. just like it takes a Grammar Matrix to build a civilization.

The end result, is it is either good or evil.
It either maintains and promotes life, or it does not.

Words very much do transform themselves, and language is in a constant state of flux. Just one meagre example, off the top of my head. We all know what a table is, it's a noun. But you can table a motion. That's a noun becoming a verb.

And here's a verb becoming a noun. Killing is a verb, but you can also make a killing on the stock market, for example. Here, the word is a gerund, that is, it ends in "ing" and is a verb transforming into a noun.

There are exceptions, of course. King isn't a verb, it's just a noun, that happens to end in "ing". I can easily make a verb out of it, though. Kinging, that is, to either act like a king, or make someone a king. Or even, perhaps, a philosopher king, to get back to Plato.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 2:16 pm**

You know, every grammar, since Plato's teaching, has promoted the doctrine you state. Words change not only their own meaning, but modify and change the meaning of other words.
So, I decided to test it.
I bought some equipment off eBay, cameras and motion detectors and I opened a book, and set it up to capture this motion. If any of those suckers moved even a fraction of an inch, my motion detector would record it in video. I first let it run for a week. No video. I then let it run for a month, No video. I then let it run for six months, no video.
I decided, you must be right, however, they are very sneaky bastards and will not move at all while someone is watching.

So, in the meantime, I had plenty of time to sleep and dream. I hope you enjoy yours.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 2:24 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 2:16 pm You know, every grammar, since Plato's teaching, has promoted the doctrine you state. Words change not only their own meaning, but modify and change the meaning of other words.
So, I decided to test it.
I bought some equipment off eBay, cameras and motion detectors and I opened a book, and set it up to capture this motion. If any of those suckers moved even a fraction of an inch, my motion detector would record it in video. I first let it run for a week. No video. I then let it run for a month, No video. I then let it run for six months, no video.
I decided, you must be right, however, they are very sneaky bastards and will not move at all while someone is watching.

So, in the meantime, I had plenty of time to sleep and dream. I hope you enjoy yours.

So the words didn't move when you, for example, moved the book? Extraordinary.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 2:35 pm**

Maia wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 2:24 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 2:16 pm You know, every grammar, since Plato's teaching, has promoted the doctrine you state. Words change not only their own meaning, but modify and change the meaning of other words.
So, I decided to test it.
I bought some equipment off eBay, cameras and motion detectors and I opened a book, and set it up to capture this motion. If any of those suckers moved even a fraction of an inch, my motion detector would record it in video. I first let it run for a week. No video. I then let it run for a month, No video. I then let it run for six months, no video.
I decided, you must be right, however, they are very sneaky bastards and will not move at all while someone is watching.

So, in the meantime, I had plenty of time to sleep and dream. I hope you enjoy yours.
So the words didn't move when you, for example, moved the book? Extraordinary.

ah, another example of deflection. I moved the book, not the words. So, you do not even notice that you confirmed my words, Plato's words, not your mythology. Nothing extraordinary about that.

You know, my most common dream is me never able to find home. I could never get home. But, I come to think about it differently. My nose was always home, My ears were always home, My eyes were always home, and I could do this with every part of my body. So, as the sum of the parts equals the whole, it stands to reason, I am always home. There is no escaping being home no matter where you go. Problem is, my home is a fucking wreck.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 3:03 pm**

Let me share a little secret with you. Ever notice that recurring dreams, only stop recurring when you solve the problem? Ever ask yourself, is it possible for a mind to teach itself to recognize the right answer? Can a mind teach itself?
What is guided evolution? You can reflect on it, or as is your nature, deflect on it.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 5:04 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 3:03 pm Let me share a little secret with you. Ever notice that recurring dreams, only stop recurring when you solve the problem? Ever ask yourself, is it possible for a mind to teach itself to recognize the right answer? Can a mind teach itself?
What is guided evolution? You can reflect on it, or as is your nature, deflect on it.

I think you're confusing deflection with not agreeing with you. Words change their meanings all the time, and this is so obviously true that there's no need to even bother arguing it.

As for dreams, I often have dreams where I'm trying to find something, or someone, or get somewhere. Sometimes I succeed, and sometimes I don't.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 5:20 pm**

I see, words have a will of their own.
So, exactly what method do words effect their own will?

As far as being confused, reflection is the correlative of deflection. You learn that in optics.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 5:36 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 5:20 pm I see, words have a will of their own.
So, exactly what method do words effect their own will?

As far as being confused, reflection is the correlative of deflection. You learn that in optics.

How could you construe what I said as claiming that words have a will of their own? Words change their meaning because human society changes and evolves. I can very, very easily prove it, too. What do you imagine would pop into someone's head, from a hundred years ago, if you said the phrase "world wide web" to them? Something to do with giant spiders, perhaps? Please stop trying to assert something that is trivially and demonstrably false.

One that always amused me, as a historian, is that the Old English word for manger was "binne" (or one of them, at any rate). So in some Old English translations of the Bible, they put Jesus in the bin. I hope you'll agree that this is a word that has definitely changed its meaning.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 5:45 pm**

Maia wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 5:36 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 5:20 pm I see, words have a will of their own.
So, exactly what method do words effect their own will?

As far as being confused, reflection is the correlative of deflection. You learn that in optics.
How could you construe what I said as claiming that words have a will of their own? Words change their meaning because human society changes and evolves. I can very, very easily prove it, too. What do you imagine would pop into someone's head, from a hundred years ago, if you said the phrase "world wide web" to them? Something to do with giant spiders, perhaps? Please stop trying to assert something that is trivially and demonstrably false.

One that always amused me, as a historian, is that the Old English word for manger was "binne" (or one of them, at any rate). So in some Old English translations of the Bible, they put Jesus in the bin. I hope you'll agree that this is a word that has definitely changed its meaning.

What don't you understand? If words change their own meaning, then words are expressing an act of will?

I know you are teasing me, for I know you are a great grammarian, who but a great grammarian can teach braille to to the flowers, the weeds and the trees?

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 5:59 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 5:45 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 5:36 pm
Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 5:20 pm I see, words have a will of their own.
So, exactly what method do words effect their own will?

As far as being confused, reflection is the correlative of deflection. You learn that in optics.
How could you construe what I said as claiming that words have a will of their own? Words change their meaning because human society changes and evolves. I can very, very easily prove it, too. What do you imagine would pop into someone's head, from a hundred years ago, if you said the phrase "world wide web" to them? Something to do with giant spiders, perhaps? Please stop trying to assert something that is trivially and demonstrably false.

One that always amused me, as a historian, is that the Old English word for manger was "binne" (or one of them, at any rate). So in some Old English translations of the Bible, they put Jesus in the bin. I hope you'll agree that this is a word that has definitely changed its meaning.
What don't you understand? If words change their own meaning, then words are expressing an act of will?

I know you are teasing me, for I know you are a great grammarian, who but a great grammarian can teach braille to to the flowers, the weeds and the trees?

Well, for a start off, I have never yet attempted to teach Braille to flowers, weeds or trees. Perhaps it's worth a try, though. I might have better luck than I am here.

Words don't have wills of their own. They change their meaning because we, that is, humans, change. Words are human constructs.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 6:07 pm**

Maia wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 5:59 pm

Words don't have wills of their own. They change their meaning because we, that is, humans, change. Words are human constructs.

So, words mimic human behavior. How do they do that? How can any lifeless object do anything of its own accord? And how can you be a historian and not even be literate?
If a mind can only use words correctly or not, human history is the study of the Art of Names.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 6:18 pm**

Phil8659 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 6:07 pm
Maia wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 5:59 pm

Words don't have wills of their own. They change their meaning because we, that is, humans, change. Words are human constructs.
So, words mimic human behavior. How do they do that? How can any lifeless object do anything of its own accord? And how can you be a historian and not even be literate?

Words don't mimic human behaviour, they just describe it, and are themselves part of it, and they also describe everything else that we wish to describe. That's what they're for.

As for whether I'm literate or not, well, it's a question of definition, isn't it? I like to think so.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2025 6:19 pm**

Maia wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 2:04 pm [quote=Phil8659 post_id=771502 time=1746965210

There are exceptions, of course. King isn't a verb, it's just a noun, that happens to end in "ing". I can easily make a verb out of it, though. Kinging, that is, to either act like a king, or make someone a king. Or even, perhaps, a philosopher king, to get back to Plato.

I can "king" a checker by getting to the opponents back row. Verb!

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